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Old February 23rd, 2013, 04:49 PM   #51

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The South benefited the taste of revenge...
First of all, they had nothing to get revenge on. They attacked their own nation, and they lost. Now, say that they had an actual reason to get on revenge, say it was the north who attacked, this would be my reply.

What benefit is that?

Did Lincolns death bring back the thousands of young men who died fighting?

Did it bring back the buildings burned, the families destroyed, or their economy?

No, it was just more blood on their hands. One more body that had to be buried because the south was to stubborn and stupid to realize what they had gotten themselves into. All their vengeance got them was one more sin for them to pay for.
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 05:10 PM   #52

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I will never be known as anything other than an incorruptible Yankee in my loyalties, but even I would never stoop to the level of accusing the Confederate government of such a plot.

This was still the era of Victorian chivalry - Ewell, for instance, reportedly burst into tears when he heard of Lincoln's demise, while Beauregard threatened to arrest any soldier who celebrated the news; I believe Lee also expressed outrage at the murder.
-You're a good man of high calibre and you constantly display that you're
a fine gentleman.
-I will never be an apologist, sway-able, ashamed or yield in my
loyalties to my Southern roots, but killing Lincoln was the actions of a
self centered, egotistic, megalomaniac and deranged man who was out
of touch with reality. The war was over, nothing left to fight for and it
was a time to heal deep wounds, not go on vainglorious vendettas.
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I will never be known as anything other than an incorruptible Yankee in my loyalties, but even I would never stoop to the level of accusing the Confederate government of such a plot.

This was still the era of Victorian chivalry - Ewell, for instance, reportedly burst into tears when he heard of Lincoln's demise, while Beauregard threatened to arrest any soldier who celebrated the news; I believe Lee also expressed outrage at the murder.
And indeed, Ewell immediately wrote to Grant swearing that the Confederate military had nothing to do with the tragedy. Out in the Trans-Mississippi, when his troops started cheering the news, Confederate cavalryman Jo Shelby shouted them down.

And I entirely agree with your post. Davis isn't one of my favorite historical figures, nor are most of the Confederate government, but without evidence to the contrary, I absolutely refuse to believe that they would have authorized the assassination of a head of state, let alone trusted it to Booth's eccentric little gang.
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I have little reservation that Booth along with Surratt were originally working on orders from Richmond. He had made an attempt to capture Lincoln earlier. He's a complex guy, at least partly vainglorious. The surrender of the Confederacy could well have been the tipping point to turn his assembled apparatus into an attack on the entire Lincoln cabinet. If that spells conspiracy in some people's definition that's ok with me.
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How do you think it benefited the South?
Johnson was a barrier to the Anti-south Congress.
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And I entirely agree with your post. Davis isn't one of my favorite historical figures, nor are most of the Confederate government, but without evidence to the contrary, I absolutely refuse to believe that they would have authorized the assassination of a head of state, let alone trusted it to Booth's eccentric little gang.
Quite so; Richmond deserves no blame for Lincoln's assassination. I don't think Davis or Benjamin or even Seddon would stoop to that, though there was some creepy language used after the notorious Dahlgren Raid.

Now that being said, we oughtn't to forget that these men weren't above plotting to kidnap President Lincoln, and it was out of a botched kidnapping plot (orchestrated by the CSS) that Booth was able to build his own conspiracy to murder the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State.
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Quite so; Richmond deserves no blame for Lincoln's assassination. I don't think Davis or Benjamin or even Seddon would stoop to that, though there was some creepy language used after the notorious Dahlgren Raid.

Now that being said, we oughtn't to forget that these men weren't above plotting to kidnap President Lincoln, and it was out of a botched kidnapping plot (orchestrated by the CSS) that Booth was able to build his own conspiracy to murder the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State.
Right, so you are implying that Booth was a Confederate agent and involved in a previous Confederate attempt to kidnap Lincoln, but he did the Lincoln assassination all on his own, except for at least 9 accomplices.

I have a hard time believing Davis and Benjamin would authorize that or that it could help the Confederacy, but there is some circumstantial evidence of Confederate involvement.
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It's seems some of us have become desensitized to these war topics. War is not glorious, nobody benefited from Lincoln's death -- not even the South.
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Right, so you are implying that Booth was a Confederate agent and involved in a previous Confederate attempt to kidnap Lincoln, but he did the Lincoln assassination all on his own, except for at least 9 accomplices.

I have a hard time believing Davis and Benjamin would authorize that or that it could help the Confederacy, but there is some circumstantial evidence of Confederate involvement.
I may not have been clear, for which I apologize. I meant to convey that Booth used the structure of a botched Confederate kidnap attempt (especially the personnel and escape aspects) to create a more wide-ranging conspiracy. I don't know all of the facts, and I'd be happy to see more evidence any which way, but I don't think that Davis or Benjamin or Seddon knew about the assassination beforehand.

I didn't say this earlier, but I ought to voice my suspicions that Booth may have been encouraged to kill Lincoln during his meeting with CSS agent George N. Sanders in Montreal.

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Old February 23rd, 2013, 09:33 PM   #60

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Well Johnson got to be president as a result. Does that count?

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People who think the CSA had an official plan to assassinate the top
USA officials, probably have parallel proof that Jackie Kennedy was the real gunman
instead of Oswald.
Or maybe Jackie hired Oswald? Think about it people!
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