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Old March 7th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #1
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WWII - The Atomic Bomb


Read my piece about the atomic bombs being dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki & comment on what you think below.

http://www.socyberty.com/History/Was...agasaki.547559

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Old March 8th, 2009, 12:16 AM   #2
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Yeah, it is probably because you think Japan or Korea in American way; even though they know they are gonna die, if there are some extremists who order them to die in the battle, most of them are, at least, trying to die.

Even though Japanese imperial army were scattered throughout the small islands, they were very determined troops. When they finally had no choice but to surrender, they would take graceful battle rather than disgraceful surrender to Americans.

That is why what Americans proudly call "the BEST ARMY in the world," had to lose lots of lives especially in U.S. Marines. These Japanese scattered troops were not any U.S. Marines's counterparts, but were all determined to die.

That would be the same if Americans landed on Japan; in this time, not only military soliders were willing to fight, but civilians would do, which was planned by Japanese extremists.

This would have extremly delayed the victories, which would have politically pressured Truman because the public of Americans wanted the war to end soon as they all had witnessed the war was over in Europe.

But, even though it is not, Japan deserved to be bombed by nuke; consider what they had done to Asian peoples such as Korean, Chinese, Philipino, and other numerous people.

Wherever the imperial army passed on, rapes, murders, and theft were common. Sexual slaves, who had to face more than 50 sex in a day (YES ONE DAY), human experiments subjects with no anethesiaed (Yes no anethesia at all), and their hostilities toward non Japanese.

Yes I do know those who were suffered by the two bombs were not really related to these brutal and never forgetten behavior Japanese imperial army had done, but it was the war that these suffered civilians were deployed to support ammunition and other activity for the victores of Japan.

Lots of people in the world think Japanese, nuked first time in the history, should be poor, but they were not. Considering what they have done, it is not enough at all that the only two times nukes are compensating what the other people near Japan had to face.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 12:22 AM   #3
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I would ask you
1st question: "how many of you guys know there were sexual slavery under Japanese (or Comfort woman)?"
2nd question: "among the sexual slavery, do you know there were white caucasian slavery from the Netherland's Indonesia?"
3rd question: "how many of you guys ever heard about 731 units?"
4th question: "if you do know 731 unit, have you ever seen pictures of it?"
5th question: "how many of you have seen the pictures taken by Japanese after they conquered Nanjing and other Chinese cities?"

Yeah, I think to evaluate if U.S. should have not nuked Japan, you must know all of my questions.
Right, I am fully admitting that in a war, anything can happen, but these questions are far out of what we commonly think about any kind of a war.
Lastly, lots of people in the world know what Germans had done, but it is highly unlikely that they know what Japanese had done; behind Honda and Sushi, they fail to recognize what kind of people Japanese truly are.
It is not because I am a Korean, but rather just asking you to find all of my questions, if ever, interested in it.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #4

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Your opinion is fine and you have your right to it.

However, you have the advantage of 60 years distance, 60 years worth of hindsight, zero time constraints and zero responsibility for the burden of the decision. Most people who have never had the responsibility for significent decision making, fail to recognize the difference between being the person on the spot and the person writing the after action report.
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Nicely written and well research piece.

I agree with much of what you said. Without the intervention of Russia, America could have casually waited for a victory without invading or dropping the bomb. Also as you point out the firebombing also did a lot more destruction.
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Hirohito should have broadcast his Gyokuon-hōsō speech on August 5th. Had he really thought that waiting would turn things around?

He knew all about the Potsdam Declaration. He knew he was regarded as some sort of divine being by his government. He knew the government wasn't going to just surrender without assurances that the person of the divine being would be inviolable. He knew what he had to do and he did it 10 days too late to save Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Women and children were being roasted alive all over Japan, and this had been going on for months with no end in sight until the atom bomb came along. So. We gave Hirohito a way out of the war.
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they fail to recognize what kind of people Japanese truly are.
It is not because I am a Korean.


Yes it is.
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Hirohito should have broadcast his Gyokuon-hōsō speech on August 5th. Had he really thought that waiting would turn things around?

He knew all about the Potsdam Declaration. He knew he was regarded as some sort of divine being by his government. He knew the government wasn't going to just surrender without assurances that the person of the divine being would be inviolable. He knew what he had to do and he did it 10 days too late to save Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Women and children were being roasted alive all over Japan, and this had been going on for months with no end in sight until the atom bomb came along. So. We gave Hirohito a way out of the war.
Please note that the first time Hirohito had ever spoken at cabinet meeting in some 19 years was he stood up and told the cabinet that Japan would surrender and consider what had been discussed there in the previous 15 years. So the chances of him doing his first ever public speach on the radio prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki were alsolutely zero. As you point out, atomic bomb gave japan the excuse it was looking for.

From the US side, Groves was fully in favour as he had stated for over 2 years that if the bomb didn't work, he would have to buy a house in Washington as he would spend the rest of his life at Congressional hearings.

For Truman, how did he explain to any US citizen that their son or husband had died while the US sat on a war finishing weapon because they thought it was too terrible to use.

The scientists who created the bomb had no problem developing the weapon for use against Germany and only developed a moralistic problem after the end of the war in Europe. There are valid reasons to suppose that they never expected it to be used, but they had no funding or equipement problems for their research.


Consider the bomb had not been used, somebody would then have tried it during the Cold war as its effects were purely theoretical until use on a city. Looking at film of Hiroshima and Nagasaki concentrates the mind when considering pushing that button.

If WW2 had not ended the way it did, how many PoWs would have been executed to release their guards for front line duties.

As for the unconditional surrender, after the follow up results of the end of WW1, anything less that total defeat was unacceptable, no excuses, no stab in the back, just total defeat.

As for the oringinal post, it reads like a high school students homework in regurgetated form of the standard modern revisionist view of what took place.
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Suffering is suffering. Dead is dead. People, like their close cousins the chimps (including Dubya), are congenital murderers. The flag matters not.
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As for the unconditional surrender, after the follow up results of the end of WW1, anything less that total defeat was unacceptable, no excuses, no stab in the back, just total defeat.
Ivor Badger,

Yes.

This, uh, squeamishness, about the atom bombs is incomprehensible to me when one considers the number of babies being burned alive, crushed by falling buildings, dying from malnutrition, etc, etc, every single additional day that the war continued. If one doesn't care about anyone else, he should at least think of them.
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