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Old April 17th, 2013, 07:22 AM   #11

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This may be untrue but I've read that Thomas Jefferson was probably the last person on earth to "know everything". That is he knew everything that was known at that specific time of mankind's development. As I said, it is probably untrue, but it does point to both the breadth of his learning and the limits of scientific knowledge of the time.
What do you mean by 'untrue'? Are you questioning the authenticity of the quote? Here's the link for that.

As for the claim of quote, there's nothing untrue about it either, intelligence is not something quantifiable so as to make any subjective opinion about it true or false.

However, knowing everything isn't a prerequisite for someone to be 'intelligent'. I rather agree with Sherlock Holmes (read A.C. Doyle) that knowing unnecessary (everything surely includes a lot of unnecessary info) info is nothing but waste of brainspace & the additional processing time.

Going by requirement of the OP -".. in your opinion which president do you view as the most intelligent, in terms of policy, history, important aspects of politics, and maybe even philosophy as well.."

I wholly agree with JFK. I am a little suspicious too that the question in the OP was framed with Jefferson in mind.
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What do you mean by 'untrue'? Are you questioning the authenticity of the quote? Here's the link for that.

As for the claim of quote, there's nothing untrue about it either, intelligence is not something quantifiable so as to make any subjective opinion about it true or false.

However, knowing everything isn't a prerequisite for someone to be 'intelligent'. I rather agree with Sherlock Holmes (read A.C. Doyle) that knowing unnecessary (everything surely includes a lot of unnecessary info) info is nothing but waste of brainspace & the additional processing time.

Going by requirement of the OP -".. in your opinion which president do you view as the most intelligent, in terms of policy, history, important aspects of politics, and maybe even philosophy as well.."

I wholly agree with JFK. I am a little suspicious too that the question in the OP was framed with Jefferson in mind.
Your link is nothing to do with my post.

I said it was probably untrue that Thomas Jefferson knew everything. Knowing everything is absolutely impossible for anyone to prove, that's why I said it is probably untrue. That he was very very clever I have no doubt at all.

Fair enough comment about intelligence with regards to policy. I was looking at it more from a strict knowledge point of view.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 08:15 AM   #13

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The 'the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge' quote
from JFK, about Jefferson, was made at a dinner honoring American Nobel Prize winners in 1962.
It was made as a lighthearted comment paying tribute to Jefferson's intelligence, but it was also just a joke.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 08:35 AM   #14

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Chronologically

1. Thomas Jefferson-With the possible exception of Franklin, there was no greater enlightenment thinker in America. The record speaks for itself.
2. James Madison-Jefferson's literary and political heir, Madison was his own man nevertheless. Primary writer of the Constitution and, with Hamilton, the Federalist papers that sold it to the American ppl.
3. Lincoln-The fact that Lincoln was able to achieve what he did with little to no formal education speaks volumes of his intelligence. The Gettysburg Address and both first and second inaugural have to rank among the greatest documents in the canon of the US.
4. Woodrow Wilson-Wilson was unquestionably brilliant, though the Presidential record is incomplete because of his illness and death.
5. Jimmy Carter-Often maligned by the right and even some on the left for his poor handling of the crisis in Iran and ceding control of the Panama Canal, his intelligence and integrity are undeniable.

What is striking for me is about these choices is that, with the exception of Lincoln, they are all middle of the pack.
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One thing that has kind of bothered me about the great historical emphasis on the Federalist Papers is that they weren't as important as we tend to think of them today. Prior to ratification, they didn't circulate very far outside the New York/Hudson River area.

Their value is more as a glimpse into the mind of one of the more important Framers, although I have always thought that Constitutional interpretation should lean more towards what the ratifiers thought they were ratifying than what the Framers thought they were framing.
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Wilson, Jefferson, Taft, and a tie Carter and Clinton.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #17

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Jefferson.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 09:48 AM   #18

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The complete package, IMO, goes to Mr. Jefferson.
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Hoover was an engineer. I can't imagine him being anything but an intelligent man.
You must not know many engineers....
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this is really interesting you guys are saying thomas jefferson, because a kid at my school said that thomas jefferson was actually black,( half black)

i dont know if thats true or not? but its interesting
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