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Old October 18th, 2013, 12:18 AM   #21

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Maybe he would have completely if he hadn't been assassinated early.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 04:53 AM   #22

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Maybe he would have completely if he hadn't been assassinated early.
As of his assassination, it was illegal for any person to be held as a slave in the US. It seems he did completely.
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As of his assassination, it was illegal for any person to be held as a slave in the US. It seems he did completely.
Yeh, the movie "Lincoln" focuses on his getting the 13th Amendment through.
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The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves only in areas under Confederate control. As the Union gained control of these areas ex-slaves were put in contraband camps under military control. They were hardly free. Although Lincoln had a lot to do with getting the 13th Amendment through Congress the 13th Amendment wasn't ratified until after Lincoln was assassinated.
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The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves only in areas under Confederate control. As the Union gained control of these areas ex-slaves were put in contraband camps under military control. They were hardly free. Although Lincoln had a lot to do with getting the 13th Amendment through Congress the 13th Amendment wasn't ratified until after Lincoln was assassinated.
Were the blacks in contraband camps slaves in areas occupied by the Union or slaves who ran away to Union controlled territory?
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Old October 18th, 2013, 06:17 AM   #26

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Lincoln never advocated black and white equality, he was against blacks having same political and social rights as whites. In other words, he was racist.

His solution to problem of blacks was so called "colonization" -removing blacks from USA altogether and settling them somewhere in Africa or Latin America (see history of Liberia).
This ignores Lincoln's views. Lincoln had initially supported colonization on the grounds that the blacks would not be treated as equals, but changed his view when he realized blacks did not want to emmigrate. By 1865 he was supporting suffrage for large numbers of blacks.
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Were the blacks in contraband camps slaves in areas occupied by the Union or slaves who ran away to Union controlled territory?
Probably both. The important point is that contraband is confiscated property.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #28

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Honestly, some people on this thread keep focusing on the Emancipation Proclamation as if they have never heard of the 13th Amendment. Since Lincoln announced that the abolition of slavery would be his primary goal a the second inaugural, lobbied Congress for it, and signed the amendment on February 1, 1865, the answer is an unequivocal and astounding "hell yes he freed the slaves!"
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Did Abraham Lincoln Really Free The ( Slave's ) ? LET's see who really know'ss their History !!!!
He did free some (but not all) slaves with his Emancipation Proclamation. True, it only covered those areas that were in rebellion, but as the Union recaptured more and more of those areas, the slaves in thoses areas would be freed.

The slaves in those states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland) that did not rebel were liberated until after Lincoln's death.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 11:12 AM   #30

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He did free some (but not all) slaves with his Emancipation Proclamation. True, it only covered those areas that were in rebellion, but as the Union recaptured more and more of those areas, the slaves in thoses areas would be freed.

The slaves in those states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland) that did not rebel were liberated until after Lincoln's death.
I cannot emphasize this enough- he declared the abolition of slavery his primary goal at the second inaugural, he lobbied for the passage of the 13th, and even signed the 13th Amendment. He freed all of the slave as literally and unequivocally as possible,

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