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Old November 5th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #1

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This is a thread to talk about United State territories. I am also curious to know why the U.S. gave back Okinawa to Japan?
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This is a thread to talk about United State territories. I am also curious to know why the U.S. gave back Okinawa to Japan?
Because permanent annexation of major captured territories was unacceptable at that time. This was not 1898.
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This is a thread to talk about United State territories. I am also curious to know why the U.S. gave back Okinawa to Japan?
What is it that you would like us to discuss about U.S. territories?
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What is it that you would like us to discuss about U.S. territories?
Anything really from what the economy to the history of the territory. Even former territories
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Because permanent annexation of major captured territories was unacceptable at that time. This was not 1898.
But the victors of war usually get something in return. I heard that Japan nagged the U.S. to give the islands back.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #6

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The United States should take over Japan to prevent communism and fascism. Japan should be another state of U.S.. Then, U.S. people will be happy because they have an Asian territory.
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The United States should take over Japan to prevent communism and fascism. Japan should be another state of U.S.. Then, U.S. people will be happy because they have an Asian territory.
If they did that China would never get the Senkaku Islands or any of the rocks they wish to have in the Yellow Sea.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #8

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There is a legal argument that Taiwan is under US military sovereignty (de jure not de facto).

In international law if a country cedes a piece of territory without specifically mentioning who it goes to it goes to the principal occupying power. Japan relinquished control over Taiwan but never stated to whom it would go to and the United States was the principal occupying power (all Republican Chinese forces were operation under US authority BTW) thus the islands is under the jurisdiction of the US military.


Meanwhile keeping Okinawa would have been nice for the USA (and perhaps the Okinawans since the Japanese aren't the kindest people towards the Okinawans from what I've heard) as it was the Keystone of the Pacific as far as naval strategy goes. The only issue is that it forces the US to pay a lot more direct attention to East Asia that it otherwise would have to. Maintaining control over the whole of Micronesia seems like a better option IMO though historically we only kept the Northern Marianas. I feel that the Marshall Islands, Caroline Islands, and Palau should have stayed American either as separate Commonwealths or all the territories could together have been one Commonwealth of the United States.
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Right now, people from China are going to Saipan to have their children so they can obtain American citizenship. Saipan is close to China, and Chinese people don't need a visa to go there, so it's a convenient way to immigrate.

Saipan was taken from Japan in WWII, and it is unincorporated territory of the US to this day.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 10:16 AM   #10

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The U.S. had no claim to Okinawa, and its capture thankfully occurred during an era when empire building was no longer acceptable. It would also have made the U.S. highly hypocritical, since it supported the dismantling of European empires and had opposed Japan's imperialistic ventures.

The U.S. really had two viable options with Okinawa. The first, which is the option it ended up going with, was to return Okinawa to Japan after a period of occupation.

The second would have been to establish the Ryukus as an independent nation. The people of the Ryukus, while closely related to the Japanese, are ethnically and culturally distinct. The Japanese and Okinawans spoke different, though related, languages. The Ryukyus had also been an independent kingdom for centuries prior to being incorporated into Japan in the 1870s, so there might have been some justification for reestablishing it as a sovereign nation.

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