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Old July 5th, 2009, 04:05 AM   #1

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Metal and Native americans?


Im not very familiar with the history of North and South America, and i want to ask, what kind of metal did native americans use, before they meet the europens and trade with them?
I know that some tribes even didnt had metal, they made there weapons out of wood, but what did the aztecs used? Bronze?
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Old July 5th, 2009, 04:53 AM   #2

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The Inuits near Baffin Bay did use meteorites to make iron blades .......
The Old Copper Culture ( Michigan and Wisconsin ) used copper ......
The Incas used copper and bronze .... and of course gold and silver ...........

I believe the Aztecs only used obsidian .........

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...Copper-culture
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The Inuits near Baffin Bay did use meteorites to make iron blades .......
Really? I never though any native american tribe used iron, but it seems i was wrong. A high degree of temperature is required to melt iron, i think around 1500 C.
Thanks for the information Merlin.
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Melting is not needed ..... iron meteorites consist of about 95 % metal .... mostly iron with some nickel and traces of cobalt ........easy malleable ( cold hammering ) .....
Just had a look in the book : Geoarchaeology (Rapp, Hill ) ... and I stand corrected , Aztec meteorite iron knives are known in archaeology.......
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For crying out loud! Native Americans never use metals.
Native Americans never used metal sattles on there horses,they rode bear back,Native Americans use cloth and sticks as houses.
The only metal Native Americans came in contact with,is when White man came along and left there guns on Native American land.
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For crying out loud! Native Americans never use metals.
Native Americans never used metal sattles on there horses,they rode bear back,Native Americans use cloth and sticks as houses.
The only metal Native Americans came in contact with,is when White man came along and left there guns on Native American land.
Ahemmm ..... through history, some tribes actually did know of metal and used it ..........
It is however true, that the use of metal was probably rare and not widespread on the continent of north America, when the "white man" came into contact with them ( I vaguely remember Columbus describing gold jewelry belonging to the people he met on the Carribbian islands - and metal was in widespread use in south America ) .....

So yes, metal became widespread on the north american continent after the white man arrived ....... but it was not totally unknown through the history of native americans on the continent of north America ....

Anyway , the prehistoric american horse died out some 11000 years ago , so the native americans didnīt do so much bare back riding untill the "white man" reintroduced horses again ......
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I had been given to understand that the Incas had been alloying bronze before the Euro-types showed up. There's still plenty of tin in northern Bolivia.
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Ahemmm ..... through history, some tribes actually did know of metal and used it ..........
It is however true, that the use of metal was probably rare and not widespread on the continent of north America, when the "white man" came into contact with them ( I vaguely remember Columbus describing gold jewelry belonging to the people he met on the Carribbian islands - and metal was in widespread use in south America ) .....

So yes, metal became widespread on the north american continent after the white man arrived ....... but it was not totally unknown through the history of native americans on the continent of north America ....

Anyway , the prehistoric american horse died out some 11000 years ago , so the native americans didnīt do so much bare back riding untill the "white man" reintroduced horses again ......
What! Little metal spear heads,whoopi do da !Native Americans had to kill to eat,apart from that,native Americans did not actually use metal!
I can't think of one thing at all,can you?
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From pre-viking age in north America, there are found metal artefacts of rings, bracelets, fishhooks, harpoons, spearheads, axes, knives and scrapers ........

Since the vikings were the first recorded "white men" in North America , I use the term pre-viking and not pre-columbian ........
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Well if somebody teach me to preform human or animal sacrifice with a wooden stick it would be nice
The bottom line is that native americans used metal, but rarely, those typical knifes that incas and aztecs use are from bronze i think.
Also they used flint to make weapons. Here is a nice example of a knife made by flint:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_WuZRIPMAef0/SJ...2azt_knife.jpg
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