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View Poll Results: Who killed JFK ?
Oswald alone 29 59.18%
Oswald+one or more other shooters 6 12.24%
Mafia+FBI+CIA+LBJ+TexasTycoons (Oswald is the scapegoat) 14 28.57%
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:51 PM   #41

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Yes, we have the film, and we have testimony:
Bobby Hargis was the motorcycle cop behind and to the left of the president.

"When I heard the first explosion, I knew it was a shot. I thought that Gov. Connally had been hit when I saw him turn toward the President with a real surprised look."

Splattered With Blood

"The President then looked like he was bent over or that he was leaning toward the Governor, talking to him."

"As the President straightened back up, Mrs. Kennedy turned toward him, and that was when he got hit in the side of his head, spinning it around. I was splattered with blood."

"Then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I might have been hit."

"Then I saw the limousine stop, and I parked my motorcycle at the side of the road, got off and drew my gun."

And They Took Off

"Then this Secret Service agent (in the President's car) got his wits about him and they took off. The motorcycle officer on the right side of the car was Jim Chaney. He immediately went forward and announced to the chief that the President had been shot."

Do you see the limo stop in any of the Zapruder footage?
If not, where did the frames that would have captured it go?
Here is testimony from a trained observer vs. a film that went through the FBI and who knows who else before being released to us?

I guess I'm just saying that there is so much ambiguity to this and everyone can find "facts" that can support their opinion no matter what...I don't think we'll ever know.
Actually, Hargis' testimony is entirely consistent with the Warren Commission.

"When [JFK] was shot in the head, it splashed up, and I ran into all that brain matter and all that. It came up and down, all over my uniform."
Not the brain matter hit me directly, but it splashed up and he ran into it.


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Old February 2nd, 2014, 04:11 PM   #42

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For those who don't believe that one bullet could have caused both the President's fatal wound and Governor Conally's, a simple look at all the evidence proves conclusively that it was possible.

Here is a photograph of the President's limo shot from behind and slightly above the limo. Governor Connally is entirely obscured from view by the President's head and torso. He was lower and inbound.
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Here is another earlier shot from the same photographer. Note that Kennedy is resting his upper arm on the doorframe while the Governor's right elbow barely reaches the same frame.
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So that when we actually use the relative positions of the two men that have NOT been distorted by the Conspiracy theorists, this is the view that greeted LHO on the 6th floor of the TSBD.
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Again.....Entirely consistent with the Warren Commission's conclusion.
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For those who don't believe that one bullet could have caused both the President's fatal wound and Governor Conally's, a simple look at all the evidence proves conclusively that it was possible.


And if the same bullet did not hit Kennedy and Connally; where did the bullet that exited kennedy's throat end up? We know it exited Kennedy's neck/throat. Where did it finally lodge itself? The obvious answer is the front of he motocar. Yet we find no trace of a bullet doing any significant damage to that part of the car. We then have a missing bullet that conspiracy theorists struggle to answer. It is the conspiracy theorists that are relying on a magic bullet.
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For those who don't believe that one bullet could have caused both the President's fatal wound and Governor Conally's, a simple look at all the evidence proves conclusively that it was possible.

Here is a photograph of the President's limo shot from behind and slightly above the limo. Governor Connally is entirely obscured from view by the President's head and torso. He was lower and inbound.
Click the image to open in full size.

Here is another earlier shot from the same photographer. Note that Kennedy is resting his upper arm on the doorframe while the Governor's right elbow barely reaches the same frame.
Click the image to open in full size.

So that when we actually use the relative positions of the two men that have NOT been distorted by the Conspiracy theorists, this is the view that greeted LHO on the 6th floor of the TSBD.
Click the image to open in full size.

Again.....Entirely consistent with the Warren Commission's conclusion.
Perhaps it is conclusive for you but I still do not believe.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:11 PM   #45

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Perhaps it is conclusive for you but I still do not believe.
What don't you believe? That Oswald acted alone or that one bullet could have caused Kennedy's neck wounds and Connally's wounds?
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 10:32 PM   #46

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Your drawings are inaccurate. Look Zapruder film. It is quite different compared to your drawings indeed.

Here's computer model of the Zapruder film.


It show that the diagrams that the conspiracy theorists use are inaccurate.
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Dont use computer or drawings but Z film... You dont use it because it dont fit with your theory.
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 03:19 AM   #48

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Dont use computer or drawings but Z film... You dont use it because it dont fit with your theory.
It fits exactly with the single bullet theory!
What you cannot see from the Zapruder film is that Connally's seat is inset slightly and he is therefore sitting slightly to the left of Kennedy, who is leaning to his right. The Z film makes it seem that K is directly behind C but this just isn't so.
It is all a matter of perspective.
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It fits exactly with the single bullet theory!
What you cannot see from the Zapruder film is that Connally's seat is inset slightly and he is therefore sitting slightly to the left of Kennedy, who is leaning to his right. The Z film makes it seem that K is directly behind C but this just isn't so.
It is all a matter of perspective.
So you agree that the Z film disapproves the route of the magic bullet.
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 06:42 AM   #50

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So you agree that the Z film disapproves the route of the magic bullet.
The Zapruder film proves the single bullet theory. Still photos prove the single bullet theory. Computer modelling of that data proves the single bullet theory. You ignoring the proof already posted does not change that.

The conspiracy theorists are the ones who require magic bullets, as has already been noted.
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