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View Poll Results: Who killed JFK ?
Oswald alone 29 59.18%
Oswald+one or more other shooters 6 12.24%
Mafia+FBI+CIA+LBJ+TexasTycoons (Oswald is the scapegoat) 14 28.57%
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 07:16 AM   #51

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The Zapruder film proves the single bullet theory. Still photos prove the single bullet theory. Computer modelling of that data proves the single bullet theory. You ignoring the proof already posted does not change that.

The conspiracy theorists are the ones who require magic bullets, as has already been noted.
Yep. Conspiracy theorists believe in conspiracy first, then try to mold the data to fit that conclusion.
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 07:30 AM   #52

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Perhaps it is conclusive for you but I still do not believe.
What's your counter-evidence?
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Option 3 misses NSA ... [as any good former Ufologist I cannot imagine a conspiracy which doesn't involve "The Agency"].

A part this detail, the weakness of the hypothesis stays in the curious idea that FBI and CIA found a way to coordinate them about something [as for I know it was only after 9/11 that the problem of the coordination of the two agencies came out with urgency and someone did something about for real ... imagine the situation in early 60's ...].

This lack of coordination [as odd it can sound] means also a great possibility of leaks of information in the phase of preparation of the act. Overall considering the technological level of the means of communication of that time.

What probably it's difficult to be grasped about such a conspiracy theory is why those powerful agencies had to kill the President instead of manage to sabot presidential policies [if elite power groups in the direction of FBI and CIA decided to make troubles to the administration they had all the possibilities to do it without assassinating the President].

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that is what was initially thought but accurate reconstructions have shown that the bullet travelled a relatively straight course and, having passed through mostly soft tissue (neck, chest, wrist , thigh), would not have been distorted much.

Magic bullet theory.
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Single shot theory, showing accurate layout of car and placement of passengers.
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Looks good from the diagram for direction , is it just as possible for height , ie the top of the book depository through JFK into the other man ? and with modern technology have they traced this trajectory back to see if it came from the book store window ??
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Looks good from the diagram for direction , is it just as possible for height , ie the top of the book depository through JFK into the other man ? and with modern technology have they traced this trajectory back to see if it came from the book store window ??
This is covered in Fiver's excellent link in post 46.
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why do they make it difficult for themselves to prove by taking out frames of the car stopping or at least slowing right down......and there were many reports of this at first ... even profesional bodyguards saying the training is that the car should have sped away immediately there is a suspicion of shooting ??

why were the bodyguards that were riding on the rear bodyguard stations at either side rear bumpers called away just before the car turned into main street , i have seen footage of one of these bodyguards remonstrating with his boss who called him off , it is said to have been totally against procedure .

and you can see in this picture Connaly at the right side of the vehicle , and he does not look lower than the president ???

Using Modern Ballistics to Crack ?Cold Case JFK?

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Option 3 misses NSA ... [as any good former Ufologist I cannot imagine a conspiracy which doesn't involve "The Agency"].

A part this detail, the weakness of the hypothesis stays in the curious idea that FBI and CIA found a way to coordinate them about something [as for I know it was only after 9/11 that the problem of the coordination of the two agencies came out with urgency and someone did something about for real ... imagine the situation in early 60's ...].

This lack of coordination [as odd it can sound] means also a great possibility of leaks of information in the phase of preparation of the act. Overall considering the technological level of the means of communication of that time.

What probably it's difficult to be grasped about such a conspiracy theory is why those powerful agencies had to kill the President instead of manage to sabot presidential policies [if elite power groups in the direction of FBI and CIA decided to make troubles to the administration they had all the possibilities to do it without assassinating the President].

What if it was a conspiracy of people within these institutions with membership in another group that connects all Mafia/FBI/CIA, maybe like the Italian Propaganda Due?
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The Zapruder film proves the single bullet theory. Still photos prove the single bullet theory. Computer modelling of that data proves the single bullet theory. You ignoring the proof already posted does not change that.

The conspiracy theorists are the ones who require magic bullets, as has already been noted.
Ok im still waiting your draws on the Z film for the supposed route of the magic bullet please.

Who require magic bullet if not the official theory ?
One bullet which gave 7 wounds on 2 different ppl and through a seat... and is found INTACT ? And it's supposed to be true ? not magic ?

You need to watch JFK by Oliver Stone.
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One bullet which gave 7 wounds on 2 different ppl and through a seat... and is found INTACT ?
Spent rounds do not normally fragment to any great degree, rather they are usually distorted as a consequence of what they have impacted. Davidius's picture of the round in question clearly shows impact damage :

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Please dont forget this one

So you really think this bullet passed through JFK chest, seat, Connally chest breaking his rib, then Connally wrist, then hiting his thigh... and look like this ?

The Magic Bullet Part 2 from JFK | Anyclip
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