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View Poll Results: Who killed JFK ?
Oswald alone 29 59.18%
Oswald+one or more other shooters 6 12.24%
Mafia+FBI+CIA+LBJ+TexasTycoons (Oswald is the scapegoat) 14 28.57%
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Old February 4th, 2014, 04:12 AM   #71

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You know, I'm pretty sure we went through all of this.

Yes, yes, we did. Here:
Who killed President Kennedy?

For 103 pages.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 05:26 AM   #72

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To begin, ANYBODY who uses Jesse Ventura as a source is fighting an uphill battle. The man's first public appearances were as a professional wrestler. That you think both he, and Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison are credible speaks to your credibility as well.
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Interesting....However, and as Oswald was a former Marine, and I am as well...we are trained to know our weapon and account for such things. Even the most basic, non-combat occupation Marine is trained to understand this knowledge in boot camp. They also continue this training (even non-combat occupations) every year while they are in.

If Oswald was the shooter and used that weapon, he would have known it and corrected his aim for it. And, he certainly would have trained with it before taking on such a task as killing the president. Simply because its a basic thing a Marine would do.

On a personal note...I visited the sight and went up to the window. The distance and and degree of difficulty is not as hard as I initially thought prior to physically going there. All the film footage makes it seem much farther away.
I think he used the same weapon to shoot General Walker and he practiced before.

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Early in April, Marina was walking the baby when Lee caught up to her at a half run. He was carrying something in his raincoat. It was a rifle. He told her he was going to practice shooting his rifle. Before she had time to object, he jumped on a bus that was marked “Love Field,” and disappeared.
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The conspiracies would suggest that almost everybody who was in Dallas that day EXCEPT Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK. Personally, I think it was John Lennon that did it.
From what I've been reading they also suggest that almost everybody was there.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 04:23 PM   #74

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You know, I'm pretty sure we went through all of this.

Yes, yes, we did. Here:
Who killed President Kennedy?

For 103 pages.
I'm copy-pasting many of my posts from that thread to this one.
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To begin, ANYBODY who uses Jesse Ventura as a source is fighting an uphill battle. The man's first public appearances were as a professional wrestler. That you think both he, and Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison are credible speaks to your credibility as well.
Of course Ventura was a wrestler, but he was also a governor of an US state...
Jim Garrison was a district attorney.
What is funny is that LHO always claimed his innocence ; that the police didnt respect any of his rights and didnt respect any normal rules... but you keep on thinking it's ok, what police claims is the truth etc. who is credible then ?
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Old February 5th, 2014, 05:42 AM   #76

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Of course Ventura was a wrestler, but he was also a governor of an US state...
Jim Garrison was a district attorney.
What is funny is that LHO always claimed his innocence ; that the police didnt respect any of his rights and didnt respect any normal rules... but you keep on thinking it's ok, what police claims is the truth etc. who is credible then ?
Ventura's awkward fumblings with the rifle were disproved by ABC news tests made shortly after the assassination.

Jim Garrison believed it was a "homosexual thrill killing".

LHO was lying. That's a common thing for criminals to do.
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Of course Ventura was a wrestler, but he was also a governor of an US state...
Are you really going to accept this man as an authority on history?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMGPGAaMF4]Jesse Ventura promo - YouTube[/ame]

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Jim Garrison was a district attorney.
He was an elected DA in arguably the most politically corrupt state in the US. Moreover, I've proven his blatant dishonesty with the provided link. You offer nothing to counter. No evidence. No sources. NOTHING.

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What is funny is that LHO always claimed his innocence ; that the police didnt respect any of his rights and didnt respect any normal rules... but you keep on thinking it's ok, what police claims is the truth etc. who is credible then ?
Once again, you are basing your view on a demonstrated liar. You haven't a shred of proof.
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Ventura's awkward fumblings with the rifle were disproved by ABC news tests made shortly after the assassination.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCINoQ3hNGg]Lee Harvey Oswald JFK Assassination Mannlicher Carcano Rifle Accuracy And Speed Test 1967 - YouTube[/ame]
You talk about it ?
Indeed none repeated the exploit LHO was supposed to have accomplished this day...
Furthermore, if LHO shot alone, why didnt he hit JFK from the front in the previous street ? It would have been easier for him.

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Jim Garrison believed it was a "homosexual thrill killing".
What?

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LHO was lying. That's a common thing for criminals to do.
Who knows he was lying ?

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Are you really going to accept this man as an authority on history?
Jesse Ventura promo - YouTube
Ok, but he was also an US governor... Jimmy carter was supposed to sell nuts in Times Square before he was Pdt ; does it make him a nuts too ? Same for Shwarzie in Cali...

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He was an elected DA in arguably the most politically corrupt state in the US.
Really ? Minnesota is ? Not Nevada or NY or FLA ?

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Moreover, I've proven his blatant dishonesty with the provided link. You offer nothing to counter. No evidence. No sources. NOTHING.
So Jim Garrison was dishnoest ? May you explain what was his interest to investigat ethe JFK murder since it just lost him, if not the quest for the truth and nothing else ?

You argue that it is possible that a not very good sniper can hit 2/3 shot within 5.6 seconds ? No sniper repeated this exploit. Maybe you can explain it too ?

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Once again, you are basing your view on a demonstrated liar. You haven't a shred of proof.
The problem is that those who want LHO guilty have no proof... just a botched investigation and a dead suspect (killed by a mob in the police station!)... and no more investigation. That's so useful !

There are many questions unanswered : why JFK body was not autopsied in Dallas ? Why his brain was lost ? Why the autopsy was supervised not by the doc but by a non-medicine man ? Why was it practiced by military doc and not civil docs ? etc. Why the car was cleaned so fast after the killing ? etc. etc.

LHO was supposed to be a commie, a traitor... and where does he go when he turns back in USA ? Texas... maybe the most anticommunist state... and guess what ? he is hired in the public library... Nobody with a commie past would have been hired... The only answer is : he was a double agent.
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Lee Harvey Oswald JFK Assassination Mannlicher Carcano Rifle Accuracy And Speed Test 1967 - YouTube
You talk about it ?
Indeed none repeated the exploit LHO was supposed to have accomplished this day...
You had better check your own sources before you further embarrass yourself with errors. MULTIPLE shooters duplicated Oswald's feat in this clip. One shooter even made 3 hits out of 3 shots in the prescribed 5.6 seconds.

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Furthermore, if LHO shot alone, why didnt he hit JFK from the front in the previous street ? It would have been easier for him.
You have obviously never fired a firearm. Forgetting for just a moment that Oswald would have had to fire through the front windshield when the limo was on Houston Street, the EASIEST shot at a moving target is that moving away from the shooter-there is almost no need for deflection shooting. Don't believe me. Ask ANY skeet shooter. Don't believe the skeet shooters? Ask any fighter pilot. The LAST thing a fighter pilot wants to hear is "Bogey on your 6:00."

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Who knows he was lying ?
He was an habitual liar:

-His wife Marina testified that he lied about his age when they first met.
-He lied to Marina's family while in the Soviet Union, telling them he could not return to the US.
-He told Marina that his mother was dead (Marguerite Oswald outlived LHO.)
-He lied to George Bouhe about where he was staying
-He used people as references on job applications without their knowledge and put incorrect contact numbers.
-Upon taking his daughter to the hospital (Parkland, ironically enough) Oswald lied about his employment status, income,
-Oswald lied about purchasing both the Kennedy and Tippit murder weapons. Multiple, independent handwriting analysis from both the Warren Commission AND the House Assassinations Committee determined that the handwriting on both bills of sales were Oswalds to the exclusion of all others. We have a picture of Oswald with BOTH firearms. Marina Oswald Testified that she had taken the picture. Both firearms were mailed to Oswald's post office box. Finally, analysis of the film determined it was from Oswald's Rolleiflex camera.
-Oswald used variations of "Alek J. Hiddell" as an alias. He used this name on the purchase of the S&W revolver, the Carcano rifle, his "Fair Play For Cuba Committee," and a forged Selective Service card-Again, handwriting experts verified it and Marina confirmed it.
-When Oswald applied for his apartment at 1026 Beckley Street in Dallas, he used still another alias-O.H. Lee
-On the morning of the assassination, Oswald carried a long package to work. When asked what they were, he indicated they were curtain rods for the Beckley address. The Beckley apartment had curtain rods already.

The list is virtually endless.

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Ok, but he was also an US governor... Jimmy carter was supposed to sell nuts in Times Square before he was Pdt ; does it make him a nuts too ? Same for Shwarzie in Cali.
Carter and Schwarzenegger sold nuts in Times Square? Source please?

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Really ? Minnesota is ? Not Nevada or NY or FLA ?
Yes. Really.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long]Huey Long - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Edwards]Edwin Edwards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
David Duke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact, the New Orleans police force was taken over by the federal government because of the corruption-something that has happened to no other major city in American history.

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So Jim Garrison was dishnoest ? May you explain what was his interest to investigat ethe JFK murder since it just lost him, if not the quest for the truth and nothing else ?
I don't much care to try to figure out why liars lie. I just don't believe them.

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You argue that it is possible that a not very good sniper can hit 2/3 shot within 5.6 seconds ? No sniper repeated this exploit. Maybe you can explain it too ?
Asked and answered.

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The problem is that those who want LHO guilty have no proof... just a botched investigation and a dead suspect (killed by a mob in the police station!)... and no more investigation. That's so useful !
We do present proof. Proof that you and some other conspiracy theorists ignore because it doesn't fit your agenda. You, otoh give nothing but Jesse Ventura, Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison, and your own personal lies.

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There are many questions unanswered : why JFK body was not autopsied in Dallas ?
That's one very valid question.

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Why his brain was lost ?
His brain WASN'T lost. It was delivered to the Kennedy family per SOP with the remains of deceased individuals.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/brain.txt

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Why the autopsy was supervised not by the doc but by a non-medicine man ?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/autopsy3.txt

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Why was it practiced by military doc and not civil docs ? etc.
The President's Doctor had been a military man since 1901. Even you wouldn't have us believe that a sinister cabal had this appointment decided over 60 years before the assassination.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician_to_the_President]Physician to the President - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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LHO was supposed to be a commie, a traitor... and where does he go when he turns back in USA ? Texas... maybe the most anticommunist state... and guess what ?
Oswald grew up in (among other places) Dallas Texas. Why would he not return there?

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he is hired in the public library... Nobody with a commie past would have been hired...
He wasn't hired by the public library. He was hired by a private enterprise that SOLD books to schools.

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The only answer is : he was a double agent.
The only answer is that you are misinformed-both on the small points as well as the big picture.
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Of course Ventura was a wrestler, but he was also a governor of an US state...
Jim Garrison was a district attorney.
What is funny is that LHO always claimed his innocence ; that the police didnt respect any of his rights and didnt respect any normal rules... but you keep on thinking it's ok, what police claims is the truth etc. who is credible then ?
The Warren commission had credibility problems from the get go, the realization that it was a whitewash is what prompted the several Governmental investigations.

Even the FBI agents who attended the Autopsy have been quoted extensively and their notes published, on the inaccuracies of the Warren Reports findings.

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James W. Sibert served in the United States Army Air Force (USAAF) as a squadron-leader during the Second World War. He joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1949.

When John F. Kennedy was assassinated on 22nd November, 1963, Francis X. O'Neill was sent to Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland "to assume jurisdiction over any violations that might fall within our purview." Sibert was also sent to the air base. According to O'Neill this was "so there would be two of us to be a witness to whatever might happen." J. Edgar Hoover then sent a message via Ed Tulley at FBI headquarters, to make sure that these two agents remained with Kennedy's body.

Sibert and O'Neill accompanied the coffin from the Andrews Air Force Base to Bethesda Naval Hospital. The agents also attended the autopsy carried out by Dr. Joseph Humes. Sibert and O'Neill wrote up a FD 302 report on what they witnessed.

Arlen Specter, the assistant counsel to the Warren Commission , interviewed both Sibert and O'Neill on 12th March, 1964. However, as a result of what they told Specter, they were not called to testify before Earl Warren and his committee. Their FD 302 report also became a classified document.

When the FD 302 report was eventually declassified it became clear why Sibert and Francis X. O'Neill were not asked to appear before the Warren Commission. The FD 302 report included the following passage: "During the later stages of this autopsy, Dr. Humes located an opening which appeared to be a bullet hole which was below his shoulders and two inches to the right of the middle line of the spinal column." As Jim Marrs points out in Crossfire: "If the President's wound was between the shoulder blades, this was lower than the position of the neck wound making for an upward trajectory - totally inconsistent with the idea of shots from sixty feet above and behind the President."

On 11th September, 1997, Sibert provided a deposition to the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB). He was also interviewed by William Matson Law for his book, In the Eye of History: Disclosures in the JFK Assassination Medical Evidence (2005). Sibert rejected the account given by Arlen Specter about the single-bullet theory: "What a liar. I feel he got his orders from above - how far above I don't know."
James W. Sibert : Biography


Some other interesting quotes:

Richard Schweiker, Senator and former Church Committee member:

"I think the [Warren] report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards.....the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up."
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Lyndon Johnson, president:

"I'll tell you something about Kennedy's murder that will rock you.....Kennedy was trying to get Castro, but Castro got to him first."
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Richard Russell, Senator and former Warren Commissioner:

"We have not been told the truth about Oswald."
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Hale Boggs, Majority Leader and former Warren Commissioner:

"Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission - on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the guns, you name it..."
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John Sherman Cooper, Senator and former Warren Commissioner:

"On what basis is it claimed that two shots caused all the wounds?.....It seemed to me that Governor Connally's statement negates such a conclusion. I could not agree with this statement."
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Ken O'Donnell, former Special Assistant to JFK:

"I told the FBI what I had heard [two shots from behind the grassy knoll fence], but they said it couldn't have happened that way and that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family."
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Nicholas Katzenbach, former Asst. Attorney General:

"My own feeling was that Bobby was worried that there might be some conspiracy and that it might be his fault.....It might very well have been that he was worried that the investigation would somehow point back to him."
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Dick Goodwin, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs:

"We know the CIA was involved, and the Mafia. We all know that."
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H.R. "Bob" Haldeman, former Nixon chief of staff:

"After Kennedy was killed, the CIA launched a fantastic cover-up. Many of the facts about Oswald unavoidably pointed to a Cuban connection.....In a chilling parallel to their cover-up at Watergate, the CIA literally erased any connection between Kennedy's assassination and the CIA."
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Joseph Califano, former Army member of Cuban Coordinating Committee:

"I have come to share LBJ's view [that Castro "got him first"]....Over the years I have come to believe that the paroxysms of grief that tormented Robert Kennedy for years after his brother's death arose, at least in part, from a sense that his efforts to eliminate Castro led to his brother's assassination."
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G. Robert Blakey, former Chief Counsel of the HSCA:

"I now no longer believe anything the Agency [CIA] told the committee any further than I can obtain substantial corroboration for it from outside the Agency for its veracity.....We also now know that the Agency set up a process that could only have been designed to frustrate the ability of the committee in 1976-79 to obtain any information that might adversely affect the Agency. Many have told me that the culture of the Agency is one of prevarication and dissimulation and that you cannot trust it or its people. Period. End of story. I am now in that camp."
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