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Old February 28th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #11
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You can't take the official reasons presented to Congress at face value as the reasons for going to war.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 06:34 PM   #12

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Technically I would say no, but the German policies ended up pushing them over the edge anyways.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #13

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You can't take the official reasons presented to Congress at face value as the reasons for going to war.
You're right, they're just the documented reasons for the declaration of war against Germany and the Triple Alliance. Where is your support for your claim of the Russian Revolution of 1917 and the British Forgery of the Zimmerman Note as the main causes of the US joining the war cause?!
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You're right, they're just the documented reasons for the declaration of war against Germany and the Triple Alliance. Where is your support for your claim of the Russian Revolution of 1917 and the British Forgery of the Zimmerman Note as the main causes of the US joining the war cause?!
I mean they may be documented, but you can't take official reasons at face value.

What forgery? A lot of people thought it was a forgery, but Zimmermann admitted it was authentic.
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I mean they may be documented, but you can't take official reasons at face value.

What forgery? A lot of people thought it was a forgery, but Zimmermann admitted it was authentic.
I may have mistaken your first claim as saying that Zimmerman admitted it was forgery. However the claims I made, are the literal causes for the U.S. joining the war. Germany made the Sussex Pledge, and then violated it by continuing unrestricted submarine warfare. Then the Zimmerman note was intercepted and the idea that Germany was waging war with Mexico against the U.S. with the reward of Mexico getting back its previous land, pushed Wilson to act (declare war) eventually in 1917.
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I don't see how they could have avoided it.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 10:55 PM   #17
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I don't see how they could have avoided it.
The US stayed out of it for 3 years. Why not? Were the Germans or Mexicans going to invade?

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Madison asked for a declaration of war because of British interference with US merchant shipping. The US then immediately invaded Canada. Most people outside the US think Canada was the real reason for the war.

Now Wilson went to Congress and said the Germans were interfering with US shipping and conspiring with Mexico to attack the US.

Wilson couldn't state that it was due to the influence of foreign agents, financial interests or arms manufacturers. He couldn't say it was to increase US influence in the world. I am not saying those were the reasons, but if they were, he couldn't say it.

He talked about "making the world safe for democracy". France and Britain had sort of democratic governments and now with the Revolution it appeared Russia did too. So maybe it was in US interests that the side with governments more like the US won. Wilson didn't state that in so many words, but that was what he was implying.

The British had cut the German transatlantic cable, so the Germans sent small amounts of communications with their diplomats via US diplomatic communication on the British cable. The British had broken the German code and risked discovery of that to release the cable. Rather than claim the cable was a fake, as many people believed, Zimmermann publically stated they were only seeking an alliance with Mexico if the US joined the war. This was obvious anyway, and Zimmermann's honesty compounded the situation, and seemed almost like a public threat.
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The US stayed out of it for 3 years. Why not? Were the Germans or Mexicans going to invade?
Wilson was cautious of the Germans allying with the Mexicans to invade the United States, yes, however, the bigger issue was the continuation of unrestricted submarine warfare by the Germans.
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Had the Germans not done everything in its power to get us to jump in (I'm exaggerating here), we probably would've been more than happy to just sit back and watch WWI come to its own, eventual conclusion. Seriously, the Zimmerman telegram? Nevermind the fact that Mexico was currently in chaos, and thus was in no position to do anything the Germans were talking about.

Though, to be honest, weren't we selling arms to both sides during the whole thing? We weren't exactly 100% neutral, either.

That, and Wilson did want the US to become a more important face on the world stage, so...yeah. :/ He probably would've figured out a way.

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