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Old August 12th, 2009, 03:15 PM   #11

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Who was it that said the American Civil War was fought over a verb?
I can't remember just now, but there's a sort of history about it.
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I believe he wants to know the origins of the name america because he has heard other ideas behind its origin other than that of amerigo vespucci. Well, it was amerigo that named it. Post done.

Wow, finally!

Thank you, Stevethepirate, glad I can count on you to reiterate what I just posted. It took them 2 weeks to actually READ and finally comprehend the question.

It seems so obvious yet they're so oblivious to it.


I understand that ONE THEORY POSITS THAT "Amerigo named it" but there are alternatives I have heard as well that are more esoteric.
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I understand that ONE THEORY POSITS THAT "Amerigo named it" but there are alternatives I have heard as well that are more esoteric.

Ok so tell us. I haven't heard any so it would be interesting to hear what you have.

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Old August 13th, 2009, 09:40 AM   #14

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Well, wikipedia once told me that:

In 1886, Jules Marcou said Vespucci renamed himself from Alberigo Vespucci (Albericus Vespucius) to Amerigo Vespucci after meeting the native inhabitants of the eponymous Amerrique mountain ranges of Nicaragua

But other than that I do not think I have heard any other related stories.
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From June 2008, posted by Triplesod:-
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Continent, not country.

Don't many modern day historians believe it to have been named after Richard Amerike, the Welshman, nowadays?
It would make sense that something as important as a continent would be given a person's second name, not first.

The theory could well have been blown out of the water now, for all I know.
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I always thought that it was Amrigo Vespucci also. But another European, John Cavity(english i think?) was the first to to step foot on mainland America (im 50/50 on this btw, maybe just the first recorded?) AND he was commisioned by a Welshman Richard Americ to explore the northern continent. Hence it was named firstly on a map as , 'Americ's Land'

This fits because at the time of European discovery, unless commissioned by Royalty, countries always used the 'sponsors' Surname, so it should be called 'Vespuccia', like 'Cookes Island'... ie/ Other lands christened at the time were 'Victoria', and 'Prince Edwards Island'.

essentially the exploers would lend their surname to their discovery i.e Magellen straits. Where as a royal commission would mean you could name it after the monarch, but ALWAYS their first name i.e Victoria Falls.

I welcome responses.....
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The first known Europeans to reach the Americas are believed to have been the Vikings ("Norse") during the 11th century, who established several colonies in Greenland and one short-lived settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in the area the Norse called Vinland, present day Newfoundland. Settlements in Greenland survived for several centuries, during which time the Greenland Norse and the Inuit people experienced mostly hostile contact. By the 15th century, the Norse Greenland settlements had collapsed. Then there is the not-so-likely story of Saint Brendan of Ireland, who supposedly sailed to America in a one man row-boat (if you believe that one, more power to you.).
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If you believe the story about the irish monk, you might also believe this:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html

I think it's a very funny load of bullshit.

Didn't America get it's name from Amerigo Vespucci, that's what I've always heard.
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Well, if it is BS, then it is very good BS, as nothing beats physical evidence.
You wont find this stuff discussed much in schools, and it is largely removed from mainstream attention becuase it poses "inconvenient" threat to the already hidebound and much accepted common histories.

But any historian will be the first to admit that our grasp of history is imperfect. We must be ever willing to accept evidence as it comes, rather than to dismiss or suppress it.

Here is an interesting link. You will note that there is Celtic writing from the 100 BC or so to be found in New England and other places in North America, as well as the archtypical "beehive" chambers so much associated with the Celts of Ireland.

http://www.viewzone.com/ogam.html



http://www.stonehengeusa.com/http://www.viewzone.com/ogam.html

http://www.uptonmass.com/chamber.shtml

http://www.s8int.com/page38.html

Americas stonehenge, and the Upton chambers are only the tip of the iceberg in the physical evidence that abounds which gives proof that there were Europeans here long before the Vikings or the Columbus led colonizations.

Take special note that the first two links are pretty credible and the sites are open to visitors. You can even go there and see for yourself if you so desire, it is open to the public. Also, take note that certified, actual university archeologist (Dr Barry Fell, of Harvard University) have confirmed the presence of Iberian Punic (Carthoginian) script, as well as Ogam (Irish ) script on the site. The ancient association between the ancient Celts and the Phoenecians is well established.

And so we see it even on American shores. This is evidence beyond question that there were Europeans here long before Columbus. BTW, this may have been how St Brenden knew to come to the Americas, because there had been others who had come here from Ireland before him?

This is not to belittle the achievements of either the Vikings or Columbus, but they were not the first. In fact, the Vikings didnt get interested in exploring the western sea until after they started raiding the Irish monasteries, such places as Armagh and Devinish, where the ancient knowledge would have been kept. Is this how the Vikings first learned an inkling of something being out there? We can only guess at that.

But,we must always have open minds to understand two things of great importance about early AMerican history.
First, America was never truly lost, but the knowledge kept by a select few in the old world. And

Secondly, the natives in America were not ignorant savages who lived like cavemen until the Europeans came and lifted them up into civilization. The ancient natives also had stories of the old world. But they chose to reject the old world with its constant suppressing of the human spirit.

The natives in America wanted to live free and closely to nature. Thus, they were not totally ignorant of the Europeans (not the keepers of the secret knowledge), they just rejected it a long time ago.

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Ye gods! I just realized! We were way lucky! 'Amerigo' was just his first name. His last name was 'Vespucci'. We might all be living in the United States of...

...Vespuccia...

Sounds like something that happens when you've had a bit too much to drink...
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