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Old June 6th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #51

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Weren't the colonists referred to as Americans, ie. someone who lives in the American colonies, even before the revolution? If so it seems pointless worrying about the descendants of these people calling themselves Americans now.
Also, every other nation on both the American continents has a convenient name to call themselves - Canadians, Mexicans etc. based on the name of the country. Logically then the people from the US can call themselves Americans.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #52

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Weren't the colonists referred to as Americans, ie. someone who lives in the American colonies, even before the revolution? If so it seems pointless worrying about the descendants of these people calling themselves Americans now.
Also, every other nation on both the American continents has a convenient name to call themselves - Canadians, Mexicans etc. based on the name of the country. Logically then the people from the US can call themselves Americans.
Thanks Mate. Appreciate the easy going response.
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Old June 7th, 2014, 06:09 AM   #53

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Let’s see . . . official names as recorded in UN membership . . . had to think about this for a moment . . . how to list north to south east to west? South to north west to east? A number of other possibilities any of which I’m sure would offend someone. Settled by alphabetical with common names, even though I did write it in English (not in American).

Argentina = Republic of Argentina
Belize = Belize
Bolivia = Plurinational State of Bolivia
Brazil = Federative Republic of Brazil
Canada = Canada
Chile = Republic of Chile
Colombia = Republic of Columbia
Costa Rica = Republic of Costa Rica
Ecuador = Republic of Ecuador
El Salvador = Republic of El Salvador
Guatemala = Republic of Guatemala
Guyana = Republic of Guyana
Honduras = Republic of Honduras
Mexico = United Mexican States
Nicaragua = Republic of Nicaragua
Panama = Republic of Panama
Paraguay = Republic of Paraguay
Peru = Republic of Peru
Suriname = Republic of Suriname
United States = United States of America
Uruguay = Oriental Republic of Uruguay
Venezuela = Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela

Looks like only one single nation in the western continents uses the word “America” in its title.

By appearances, if one does NOT wish to refer to oneself, based of place of origin, as, say, an “Argentinian,” “Ecuadorian,” “Colombian” or such, then the majority appear to be able to call themselves “Republican” without much fear of contradiction.

Further, on the other hand, if then one wishes to refer to oneself as an “Argentinian,” “Ecuadorian,” “Colombian” or such, or even “Canadian” or “Belizian” it would surely follow that some poor benighted soul from the United States could call himself or herself “American.”

Of course, one might wonder if a person from Venezuela calls himself or herself “Bolivarian” or someone from Uruguay wants to call himself “Oriental” – and yes, I understand the etymology – so no more than he’d call himself an “Easternian” (see?) or someone from Bolivia would call himself “Plurinationalian” or from Brazil, a “Federativian”. My bet is those are non-starters right up there with "Republican".
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I thought maybe it could be called Columbia but that name's been taken...
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Old June 7th, 2014, 08:52 AM   #55

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I'm not sure they speak English (of any flavor) in Indiana. This is based on having lived there for 14 years.
I was born in Indianapolis and lived there until I was 35 so Indiana will always be home so i'll always be a hoosier. dan quayle must have moved there from Kentucky
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Old June 7th, 2014, 08:55 AM   #56

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I thought Texas was America's own private third world country?
add on Arizona and southern California and that would be about right..
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Old June 7th, 2014, 09:02 AM   #57

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I was in Indiana twice. Both times some guy yelled "Gentlemen, start your engines." I understood it quite clearly.

But I was in Boston a few times. When someone told me to "Pak here." I asked "what the hell does that mean?" Apparently it means "Park here."

I hate being outside of the U.S. It's so confusing.
if you want to go to the greatest, most insane party on earth--go to speedway, Indiana the Saturday evening before the race. it gets wild and the cops just stand back and let it happen. me and 2 of my friends (we were in high school) made that mistake and only avoided being dragged from our car and raped when we ramed the guys with our car. they were too drunk to get hurt and a cop just watched. we never went back!

my ex-father-in-law was from boston and I could barely understand wth he was saying. why do they eliminate the letter "R" up there???
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I thought Texas was America's own private third world country?
Jealous much, Yank?
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Old June 7th, 2014, 04:59 PM   #59

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A US citizen, Texan, Texican or a American. It's all interchangeable to me.
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This is one that I have argued over with my fiancee. She is Guatemalan born, but it now a US citizen. I am US born.

I am from the United States of America. I identify by my country, as most people do. If you are from France, you are French. You are also European, but you likely want to be more specific. After all, Europe is a large geographical area, and has many diverse languages, cultures, and ethnic groups.

The Americas are the same way. Are we to believe that just because they are on the same continent, they are the same? We could label Peruvians, Bolivians and Chileans together, but I highly doubt that they would like that. Same with Mexico, Guatemala, or El Salvador. All of these people are American, and their separate identities don't matter one bit!

If someone wants to be described as American, I guess you have every right. But when some terrorist dude says "DEATH TO AMERICANS!!!", that is going to include you now. So good luck trying to explain away the confusion!


Or, you can identify in the most basic terms by referring to your nationality.
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