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Old March 1st, 2015, 12:22 PM   #1
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Santo Junipero Serra


Father Serra - A Controversial Canonization


Where's the “controversy” coming from? The Left, of course.


Yes, Serra was a zealous missionary and he “took away” ancient Indian cultures from the natives of California.


But, just what was that “culture” other than living like animals, day to day, with no future and never traveling more than one day from where they were born. Crouching in the rain or starving when there was none. Being fodder for the massive Grizzly Bears that freely roamed the area.


All they had to look forward to from the day of their birth was hardship leading to eventual death. Father Serra and his fellow missionaries gave them filled bellies, relief from harsh weather – and the hope that there was something more to life than just dying and ending it all.


Anyhow, the story is @ A Controversial Canonization | America Magazine
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Oh please post this on Baja Nomad... what a riot you would start there!
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Done!
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A few years ago, we saw a really big desert tortoise cross in front of our house.

The Mohave Desert Tortoise is toast. It's really sad, but it is. Too many people consuming too much ... the efforts of a minority who have forced the creation of a preserve have put off the demise fifty years or so ... but the inexorable tide of events can't be stopped, it can only be delayed.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Father Serra was a key part of the destruction of a unique culture. And I don't personally share very many of the values that he had in doing it and I'm not sure that the culture that replaced it was any better. But the culture that now celebrates him does share those values and there's also no doubt that he was a key part in advancing them. They are entitled to celebrate their own values whether I share them or not.

So, when the parade goes past celebrating Father Serra, I will pause in respectful silence and then go on my way. Que sera, sera.
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Done!
Go check, as it didn't post because the new Nomad software doesn't allow pasting from other places if there are any apostraphies, quotation marks, dashes, @ sybols, etc. Also no accent marks or Spanish letters like ü or ñ.

Note: I edited the post taking out the stuff that prevented it from showing, please have a look and maybe say I didn't alter the post with that editing: BajaNomad - Santo Junipero Serra - Powered by XMB

The host of Nomad says he will fix the issue... it has been since December.
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California Indians Complain to Pope Francis


Amah Mutsun’s Letter to Pope Francis
Date: 02 Mar 2015
By: Vincent Medina


Valentin Lopez, Chairman of the Amah Mutsun Tribal Band of Costanoan/Ohlone Indians, wrote a poignant letter to Pope Francis sharing a Native perspective on why Junipero Serra should not be named a Saint.


The full letter can be read @ Amah Mutsun?s Letter to Pope Francis | News from Native California





I have commented on this on my blog and all are welcome to check it out @ Father Serra's Legacy
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All they had to look forward to from the day of their birth was hardship leading to eventual death. Father Serra and his fellow missionaries gave them filled bellies, relief from harsh weather – and the hope that there was something more to life than just dying and ending it all.
Seems such idiotic thing to say you seem a troll. Complete ignorance and disrespect about native living conditions. All life is hardship if you want to look at it that way and the missions conferred relief by simply ending life early for thousands and forcing the rest into slavery. If American colonists had a right to revolt against taxation without representation because it impinged their freedoms American natives had a right to burn Vatican to the ground and hang the pope only lacking a means to ensure justice was carried out.
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I am sure something similar could be said about us - filling our environment with toxins, living under the threat of nuclear extinction, killing each other over different points of view, letting children go hungry in a land of plenty, the widespread use of anti-depressants, eating vast amounts of food and then taking medications to fight the illnesses they cause.

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I am sure something similar could be said about us - filling our environment with toxins, living under the threat of nuclear extinction, killing each other over different points of view, letting children go hungry in a land of plenty, the widespread use of anti-depressants, eating vast amounts of food and then taking medications to fight the illnesses they cause.
I am confident that none of us Historumites are in danger of being canonized.
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Seems such idiotic thing to say you seem a troll. Complete ignorance and disrespect about native living conditions. All life is hardship if you want to look at it that way and the missions conferred relief by simply ending life early for thousands and forcing the rest into slavery. If American colonists had a right to revolt against taxation without representation because it impinged their freedoms American natives had a right to burn Vatican to the ground and hang the pope only lacking a means to ensure justice was carried out.
Have you ever studied North American Indian cultures?

Can you tell us how many different California tribes there were and how they were organized?

Do you know anything about their languages or religious beliefs?

And, please explain to us why thousands voluntarily came to the missions and stayed there with only 5 poorly-armed and trained soldiers under the supervision of two non-military missionaries to watch over them.

Once you've done that you are welcome to call me a troll.
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