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Old September 14th, 2015, 11:34 AM   #31

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Kennedy. Bay of Pigs, nearly got us all killed in WWIII over Cuba, support for South Vietnam dictatorship that lead to Vietnam War.

MacArthur. ok a lot of people disliked him.

A minor character-governor Lamar. When I was growing up he was a respected figure in the early Republic, but his "exterminate all the subhuman Indians" and desire to go fully independent from both Mexico and the US were very meh.

Jonas Salk. How can the rest of us live up to anyone so great as the person who lead the team to find the vaccine for Polio?

Strangely I find more about people I formerly didn't like that I find interesting.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 12:22 PM   #32

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FDR
Lincoln
Eisenhower

First two were very evil men. Eisenhower was more just fool than evil in most ways.
I believe these three men were some of the best our nation ever had to offer. Perhaps give some explanations for your dislike of them, so that we can prove you're wrong.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 12:23 PM   #33

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I'm seeing alot of people hating figures over a single thing. Like Racism. Because, you know, that wasn't something that was as common as can be in that age.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 03:53 PM   #34

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Henry Ford as he aged expressed many points of view that are offensive, but as a business executive he had little influence outside of commerce.
Except for changing the realm of industry, influencing politicians and production during WW2, and giving half of America a car.
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Complete balderwash.

1) How was Reagan a hypocrite?
2) How as he responsible for any of those three?
3) Economic changes were coming no matter who was in office. The U.S. economy wouldn't stay built around car factories and textile mills indefinitely.
4) How.
5) Who cares? Trying to get rid of the govt. of Nicaraqua was a worthwhile effort.
6) How did he increase Cold War tensions? Has it occurred to you that the Soviets might've had a major role in that.
7) specify.
1. "We will not negotiate with terrorists" (negotiates with multiple terrorist groups)

2. He funded those groups to fight the Soviets and/or Iranians. Al-Qaeda was more indirectly but if Reagan never funded these areas they wouldn't have gotten it.

3. True. He could at least have tried though.

4. ...by increasing tuitions. How else? He approved the removal of free college in California as governor and then helped remove them at a national level by supporting the movement.

5. So giving weapons to IRAN is okay if small tiny Nicaragua isn't slightly left-winged? TO IRAN?

6. Supporting of anti-Soviet groups increased during Reagan's terms and detente slowed down during his term. Also nuclear weaponry increased for a tiny bit during his term.

7. I don't like reaganomics as it's flawed thanks to humanity's nature. Funding the top doesn't help the bottom.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 05:24 PM   #36

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What are those pre-1991 politicians, figures, and important people in American history that many people love but you cannot stand?

For me:

Thomas Edison
Henry Ford
Ronald Reagan
Agreed about Edison, Ford, and Reagan.

Also, though, would Andrew Jackson work for this? :

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Old September 14th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #37

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Except for changing the realm of industry, influencing politicians and production during WW2, and giving half of America a car.
This didn't clarify your position, I'm afraid! I was hoping for something more like:

I, ETigerstar "hate" Henry Ford because ________ ?

Do you "hate" the fact that half of America was driving even by the mid '30s?

Maybe I just can't decode youthful writing. Probably my shortcoming, but I see a tension between "hating" Reagan for de-industrializing the USA and the "hate" of Ford.

Or, if you are a Packer fan and "hate" the Ford family-owned Detroit Lions, I will accept that rationale? Peace, K
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Old September 14th, 2015, 05:36 PM   #38

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Henry Ford, while one of the great men of history and a giant in American industry, was fairly despicable as a human being.
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Scaeva, by the standards of the time and place he came of age was Ford despicable? Antisemitism was pretty rampant in at the turn of the century, as was the belief that most Southern European descended naturalized Americans should be barred from the best schools and neighborhoods.
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Scaeva, by the standards of the time and place he came of age was Ford despicable? Antisemitism was pretty rampant in at the turn of the century, as was the belief that most Southern European descended naturalized Americans should be barred from the best schools and neighborhoods.
Antisemitism was more prevalent and overt than it is many Western countries today, but it was by no means considered acceptable by everyone. Even by the standards of the era Ford's views weren't entirely without controversy or criticism.
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