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Old January 6th, 2016, 09:33 AM   #31

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And the lightbulb you see it by.
And Edison took the credit for the discovery.
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And more importantly, the money!
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Benjamin Franklin was one of the most important scientists of the 18th Century. He was renowned throughout Europe for his experiments with electricity. He was also credited by Thomas Malthus for discovering his alleged rule of population growth, and did lots of other work with regard to demographics, ocean currents, cooling by evaporation, theories of light, economics, and other subjects.
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Its remarkable really, when you compare the rest of the New World. but if you look more deeply, you can see that America's cultural greatness: Aerospace, Oil, Electricity, Jazz, Ragtime, Mr. Ed, all came after 1850, after Texas joined. So really its Texas vs. Europe. Now that I think about it, its all so clear to me now.
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was this because European countries were more secular than America at the time? was it because Science wasn't as valued in America as it was in Europe at this time
What a silly idea. Science has nothing to do with religion. In the twentieth and twenty-first century America is somewhat more religious than most European countries and we're crushing it. So what does that tell you? If Europe was ahead of the U.S. in the sciences it was because of population, GDP, education, and infrastructure.

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Once you get into the second quarter of the 19th century things are quite a bit different. The American Transcendentalists were rivaling the best Romantic poets of Europe and I'll put Moby Dick up against any Romantic European novel of the 19th century.

I don't know enough about European playwrights and novelists of the 20th century, but I doubt they far exceed those of the U.S. (someone can put up a list if tey want and I'll see if I can counter it.
20th century theater looked something like this:
1901 Gorky- The Lower Depths (Russian)
1903 Shaw- Man and Superman (Irish)
1904 Chekhov- The Cherry Orchard (Russian)
1907 Synge- The Playboy of the Western World (Irish)
1921 Pirandello- Six Characters in Search of an Author (Italian)
1932 Lorca- Blood Wedding (Spanish)
1935 Eliot- Murder in the Cathedral (American/British)
1938 Wilder- Our Town (American)
1943 Anouilh- Antigone (French)
1944 Brecht- Caucasian Chalk Circle (German)
1944 Sartre- No Exit (French)
1947 Williams- A Streetcar Named Desire (American)
1947 Genet- The Maids (French)
1949 Beckett- Waiting For Godot (Irish)
1949 Miller- Death of a Salesman (American)
1950 Ionesco- The Bald Soprano (Romanian)
1956 O'Neill- Long Days Journey Into Night (American)
1962 Albee- Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (American)
1964 Pinter- The Homecoming (British)
1966 Goldman- The Lion in Winter (American)
1976 Soyinka- Death and the King's Horseman (Nigerian)
1982 Mamet- Glengarry Glen Ross (American)
1983 Wilson- Fences (American)
1991 Kushner- Angels in America (American)
2002 Stoppard- The Coast of Utopia (British)

I'd say that America more than held it's own in twentieth century drama, and literature in general.

1998 My Name is Red by Orhan Pamuk (Turkey)
1996 Infinite Jest by William Foster Wallace (USA)
1992 The Gospel According to Jesus Christ by Jose Saramago (Portugal)
1991 Angels in America by Tony Kushner (USA)
1990 Omeros by Derek Walcott (Saint Lucia)
1987 Beloved by Toni Morrison (USA)
1987 Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami (Japan)
1985 Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy (USA)
1985 The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood (Canada)
1981 Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie (India)
1980 The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco (Italy)
1979 If on a winter's night a traveler by Italo Calvino (Italy)
1974 The Envoy of Mr. Cogito by Zbigniew Herbert (Poland)
1973 The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov (Russia)
1973 The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (Russia)
1970 The Temple of Dawn by Yukio Mishima (Japan)
1969 Portnoy's Complaint by Philip Roth (USA)
1969 Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut (USA)
1967 100 Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez (Columbia)
1966 The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon (USA)
1965 Closely Watched Trains Bohumil Hrabal (Czechoslovakia)
1965 The Green House by Mario Vargas Llosa (Peru)
1964 The Homecoming by Harold Pinter (Britain)
1963 Hopscotch by Julio Cortazar (Argentina)
1962 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? by Edward Albee (USA)
1962 The Death of Artemio Cruz by Carlos Fuentes (Mexico)
1961 Catch-22 by Joseph Heller (USA)
1961 A House For Mr Biswas by V.S. Naipaul (India)
1959 The Tin Drum by Gunter Grass (Germany)
1958 The Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa (Italy)
1957 Doctor Zhivago by Boris Pasternak (Russia)
1957 On the Road by Jack Kerouac (USA)
1957 Mihyar of Damascus: His Songs by Adonis (Syria)
1956 Seize the Day by Saul Bellow (USA)
1956 Long Day's Journey Into Night by Eugene O'Neill (USA)
1956 The Devil to Pay in the Backlands by Joao Guimaraes Rosa (Brazil)
1955 Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov (Russia)
1955 The Emperor of Ice Cream by Wallace Stevens (USA)
1955 Pedro Paramo by Juan Rulfo (Mexico)
1954 Sunstone by Octavio Paz (Mexico)
1954 Lord of the Flies by William Golding (Britain)
1953 Gimpel, the Fool by Isaac Bashevis Singer (Poland)
1953 Waiting For Godot by Samuel Beckett (Ireland)
1952 The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway (USA)
1952 The Shield of Achilles by W.H. Auden (Britain)
1952 Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison (USA)
1952 The Financial Expert by R.K. Narayan (India)
1951 Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night by Dylan Thomas (Britain)
1951 The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger (USA)
1951 Memoirs of Hadrian by Marguerite Yourcenar (France)
1950 Canto General by Pablo Neruda (Chile)
1950 The Bald Soprano by Eugene Ionesco (Romania)
1949 1984 by George Orwell (Britain)
1949 Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller (USA)
1948 The Makioka Sisters by Junichiro Tanizaki (Japan)
1948 The Caucasian Chalk Circle by Bertolt Brecht (Germany)
1948 A Streetcar Named Desire by Tennessee Williams (USA)
1948 Snow Country by Yasunari Kawabata (Japan)
1948 Death Fugue by Paul Celan (Romania)
1947 Fortress Besieged Qian Zhongshu (China)
1945 Rescue by Czeslaw Milosz (Poland)
1944 No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre (France)
1944 Ficciones by Jorge Luis Borges (Argentina)
1944 The Dwarf by Par Lagerkvist (Sweden)
1942 The Stranger by Albert Camus (France)
1942 Antigone by Jean Anouilh (France)
1939 The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck (USA)
1938 The Odyssey: A Modern Sequel by Nikos Kazantzakis (Greece)
1937 Out of Africa by Isak Dineson (Denmark)
1937 The Blind Owl by Sadegh Hedayat (Iran)
1935 Wings of Gabriel by Muhammad Iqbal (India)
1935 Lament for Ignacio Sanchez Mejias by Federico Garcia Lorca (Spain)
1934 Message by Fernando Pessoa (Portugal)
1933 Man's Fate by Andre Malraux (France)
1932 Journey to the End of the Night by Louis-Ferdinand Celine (France)
1932 The Man Without Qualities by Robert Musil (Austria)
1929 The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner (USA)
1928 Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence (Britain)
1927 Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse (Germany)
1926 Capital of Pain by Paul Eluard (France)
1925 Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf (Britain)
1925 The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald (USA)
1925 Cuttlefish Bones by Eugenio Montale (Italy)
1924 The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann (Germany)
1924 Anabase by Saint-John Perse (France)
1923 The True Story of Ah Q by Lu Xun (China)
1923 The Prophet by Khalil Gibran (Lebanon)
1923 Confessions of Zeno by Italo Svevo (Italy)
1922 The Wasteland by T.S. Eliot (USA)
1922 In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust (France)
1922 Duino Elegies by Ranier Maria Rilke (Germany)
1921 Six Characters in Search of an Author by Luigi Pirandello (Italy)
1920 Main Street by Sinclair Lewis (USA)
1920 Hugh Selwyn Mauberley by Ezra Pound (USA)
1919 The Second Coming by William Butler Yeats (Ireland)
1918 Ulysses by James Joyce (Ireland)
1918 The Hellscreen by Ryunosuke Akutagawa (Japan)
1918 The Black Heralds by Cesar Vallejo (Peru)
1917 The Young Fate by Paul Valery (France)
1915 The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka (Czechoslovakia)
1915 The Good Soldier by Ford Maddox Ford (Britain)
1915 Of Human Bondage by W. Somerset Maugham (Britain)
1914 Kokoro by Natsume Soseki (Japan)
1914 Mending Wall by Robert Frost (USA)
1913 Alcohol by Guillaume Apollinaire (France)
1911 Ithaca by Constantine P. Cavafy (Greece)
1910 Gitanjali by Rabindranath Tagore (India)
1910 Peruvian Traditions by Ricardo Palma (Peru)
1907 The Ghost Sonata by August Strindberg (Sweden)
1907 The Travels of Lao Ts'an by Liu E (China)
1906 Spring Awakening by Frank Wedekind (Germany)
1905 Songs of Life and Hope by Ruben Dario (Nicaragua)
1904 The Cherry Orchard by Anton Chekhov (Russia)
1903 Man and Superman by George Bernard Shaw (Ireland)
1903 The Call of the Wild by Jack London (USA)
1903 The Ambassadors by Henry James (USA)
1902 Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad (Britain)
1902 The Immoralist by Andre Gide (France)
1902 The Lower Depths by Maxim Gorky (Russia)
1902 The Rain in the Pinewood by Gabriele D'Annunzio (Italy)
1901 Kim by Rudyard Kipling (Britain)
1900 La Ronde by Arthur Schnitzler (Austria)

As you said, there wasn't much difference between continental literature and American literature in terms of quality by the mid 19th century. Starting with Edgar Allan Poe and James Fenimore Cooper in the first half, things start to pick up and we see Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Nathanael Hawthorne, Herman Melville, Henry James, Mark Twain, and Edwin Arlington Robinson all in the last half of the 19th century.
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Good lists, Lowell. There is also the guy who invented the lathe that produced the first truly intervable machine produced gun parts. I think tha was by 1840, but I can't remember his name right now.
Do you mean Eli Whitney who championed the interchangeable-parts system. That can be dated to 1798 when he accepted a contract to supply the U.S. Army with 10,000 muskets in two years.
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And like a true American, he cheated...
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Do you mean Eli Whitney who championed the interchangeable-parts system. That can be dated to 1798 when he accepted a contract to supply the U.S. Army with 10,000 muskets in two years.
No, it wasn't someone as well know as Whitney, and the lathe that "perfected" the process came later. This may be the guy I'm thinking of, but the story isn't just how I remember it. I'll try to look more later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisha_K._Root
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20th century theater looked something like this:
1901 Gorky- The Lower Depths (Russian)
1903 Shaw- Man and Superman (Irish)
1904 Chekhov- The Cherry Orchard (Russian)

As you said, there wasn't much difference between continental literature and American literature in terms of quality by the mid 19th century. Starting with Edgar Allan Poe and James Fenimore Cooper in the first half, things start to pick up and we see Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Nathanael Hawthorne, Herman Melville, Henry James, Mark Twain, and Edwin Arlington Robinson all in the last half of the 19th century.
I guess I know a little more about 20th century European literature than I thought I did 3:30 AM this morning. I didn't even think of Kafka, Becket, Chekhov, Wilde, Solzhenitsyn, Camus, Mann... I've read all those books or seen the plays except Camus' The Stranger - but I love The Plague. I need to get off the internet after midnight.

Yep, the Yanks held their own in the 20th century. Great list, thanks for posting.
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