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Old January 1st, 2010, 06:59 PM   #1

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I am reading a book called Lies My Teacher Told Me. It mentioned roman coins and pottery during a chapter on pre-coloumbian contact with the americas. I read about it later. So, is this really plausible? And if true, what are the implications for american history?
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no different than the vikings; the romans clearly didnt stay here, so nothing really changes. but were the romans even capable of circumnavigating africa, let alone crossing the atlantic?
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but were the romans even capable of circumnavigating africa, let alone crossing the atlantic?
lol, perhaps they island hopped past Atlantis?

I really don't think Ancient Europeans ever reached America, as even the best of the seafaring nations of those days (eg greeks and phoenicians) only went at far west as morocco and the british isles. So the presence of Romans in north america seems really unlikely.

If roman coins were found on american soil, then surely there's no reason why the vikings (who are keen traders) wouldn't get hold of some old roman money and bring it with them?
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I am reading a book called Lies My Teacher Told Me. It mentioned roman coins and pottery during a chapter on pre-coloumbian contact with the americas. I read about it later. So, is this really plausible? And if true, what are the implications for american history?
Did your book quote any primary source for that statement?
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I don't believe Romans traders could go across the Atlantic. Their ships were not constructed for that task, and they would have no idea what lay out in the Atlantic anyway, as the Greeks etc only visited Scotland and West Africa. They would be sailing blind.
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I don't believe Romans traders could go across the Atlantic. Their ships were not constructed for that task, and they would have no idea what lay out in the Atlantic anyway, as the Greeks etc only visited Scotland and West Africa. They would be sailing blind.
yeah, the Greeks and surrounding cultures thought one would simply fall off the edge of the world if you went to far out, a bit like a map layed out on a table. As, i guess, the greeks and such believed in a flat world.
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well, they had no way of knowing that back then. in fact, the greeks believed that Oceanus (the word "ocean" is derived from this titan of the world sea) wasnt a continous body of water, but rather a river that flowed all around the world (that would be Afro-Eurasia--Europe, Asia, and Africa as one continuous continent, and, of course, the islands that could easily be seen, because the greeks and most if not all other ancient cultures knew of these continents)
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I am reading a book called Lies My Teacher Told Me. It mentioned roman coins and pottery during a chapter on pre-coloumbian contact with the americas. I read about it later. So, is this really plausible? And if true, what are the implications for american history?
Then there's the book, "Lies Other Books Told Me"...
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If roman coins were found on american soil, then surely there's no reason why the vikings (who are keen traders) wouldn't get hold of some old roman money and bring it with them?
Your thoughts are the same as mine. Coins were commonly used by countries not of their origin. Spanish coins were used in early US history.
If George Washington did throw a silver dollar across the Potomac, it surely was a Spanish dollar.

http://scoan.oldnote.org/
The Maira Teresa Thaler had wide spread use out side of Austria.
Originally struck in Austria from 1740 to 1780, the Thaler was the currency of the Austrian Empire. It was very important for trade with the Levant (parts of Turkey, Lebanon, Syria). Over time, the Maria Theresa Thaler became the best known and most popular silver coin in the Arabian world. After the death of Empress Maria Theresa in 1780, Joseph II permitted the Austrian mint to continue striking the coin with the 1780 dies in order to meet demand from the Middle East. The 1780 taler was the only silver coin that the Arabs trusted and would accept. Since then, the Maria Theresa Thaler has been restruck for trade purposes at Vienna, Austria with the 1780 date frozen in time. The taler became the unofficial currency in some areas of Africa and Asia, and may still be in use today as a "trade silver dollar" in some Arabian bazaars.

http://www.theresia.name/en/

That being said, I would be delighted to have evidence of Romans in the Americas, but as stated by learned colleagues above, their ships weren't adequate for the job and the were mediocre sailors at best.

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When I was a boy in Kansas City, I was excited and (like everyone else!) quite amazed when during utility excavations a chest of gold doubloons was unaccountably exhumed from a lawn in an uptown neighborhood. How it got there was never explained, as far as I know. But I seriously doubt that Coronado founded Kansas City, or that he was importing doubloons to Cibola.
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