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Old January 20th, 2010, 02:56 AM   #21
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He might be better with a spear... but I have the knowledge to make a sling, to make a bow, to make a catapult... so it all depends on how much prep time you have.
LOL,while you are busy with youre head down and youre butt up with making those weapons, the accient mann as allready killed you.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 09:35 PM   #22
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the difference between Ancient man and Modern man is strength.
their strength is their muscle. our strength is our brain.
Not true.

Modern man is larger and stronger by every metric.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 10:00 PM   #23

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larger: definitely
stronger: not necessarily

try pitting two average hunters from both eras against each other without any weapons. the ancient hunter will always win because muscle and speed is REQUIRED by ancient man in order to hunt; they had to take down boars practically with their bare hands
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I don't know about you, but I took martial arts... with my height and weight advantage I could kick ancient man's but.


( BTW- guys with broadswords are not ancient men... they are modern )

He might be better with a spear... but I have the knowledge to make a sling, to make a bow, to make a catapult... so it all depends on how much prep time you have.

I gotta say... any modern man who has a modicum of Akido, could take just about any ancient hand to hand...

Records for strength and endurance, and speed, get broken every year.

If you want to compare a random cave man to the random couch potato, you might have a point.

But I know plenty of guys who are fit, and well versed in hand to hand combat.
Perhaps you are right. And I may, of course be wrong here.

However, I think that for modern man all these are... occasional distractions. Not something you do all the time. For ancient man their muscle and supple control of their bodies were their chance of life. Hunt was not "sport", their lives depended on it. Weapon practices and running were not "sport" you do to "keep fit" for an hour a day. If you don't get something right you will be dead come the real thing. And everything done required a lot of physical work: hunting expeditions, carrying the hunted animals, skinning the carcasses, hide working...

Prehistoric people matured earlier because their life expectancy was shorter, and not just the average one. So having children early was not a matter of choice, but of tribal survival.

As to malnutrition, it is greatly overplayed, imo. It's not right to look at today's hunter-gatherer societies for example, as they live on small reservations that are heavily plundered, with today's condition of pollution, with exposure to some degree to today's technology, but without the benefits.

I think people were designed to thrive on far less than we seem to "need" today, and its quality was probably a great deal better - cleaner, full of nutrients, no poisoning and overmedication. Hunter-gatherer nutrition is what the species was evolved to eat. Not the nutrient-poor genetically-engineered processed overvariety of poison that we have today.

Illness, early death - yes, but that is not what affects the OP.
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It all depends on how your fighting.

If you using weapons such as spear/sword etc obviously modern man on average have no experience with these. Winner ancient man.

If your fighting boxing/fist fighting, modern man has a big reach advantage being on average a foot taller or more. Romans were on average 5 foot tall (we know this by the size of their doors in ships/buildings), Today's average man is 5'9 and the new generation will average 6 foot. All things being equal modern man wins.

If you talking wrestling, modern man has a weight advantage but ancient man has a strength advantage. Winner 50/50.

Personally I'd go for eyes, throat or knees to win a fight. Take away the opponents ability to fight.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 03:31 AM   #26
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Take two people that are physically identical -there is no biological difference between ancient and modern man, modern man has better diet, better healthcare -no nagging accumulation of injures and bones that didn't set quite right etc, so the only real difference is what they do for a living.

Frontline military, sportmens, general outdoors types would be superior but then someone who sits infront of a computer all day would probably lose. But there is nothing to stop that office worker trainng to a much better level than the prehistoric man.

Of course not loosing 6o-80% of our children within 5 years means we outnumber them.
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Ancient man definitely looked hotter

Too bad they were so short though.
HMMMMMMM i Dont know about that i would think they were more likely to inbreed since they lived in smaller communities/villages than we do today
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larger: definitely
stronger: not necessarily

try pitting two average hunters from both eras against each other without any weapons. the ancient hunter will always win because muscle and speed is REQUIRED by ancient man in order to hunt; they had to take down boars practically with their bare hands
This is not true.
The smallest people on earth- the pygmies- hunt the largest land animal on earth...

And they do not generally do so thru speed, but thru persistence. Stone age humans hunted thru wearing an animal, because spears and arrow were not particularly lethal. You snuck up on something, and wounded it... and then you just kept following it- keeping the animal moving, and bleeding, until it fell over.

Just LOOK at any stone age people- like those in the amazon... they are not muscled, adonises- they have the muscle mass of a marathon runner.

Endurance? Sure... but I have never met a marathon runner I couldn't take in an arm wrestling match.

What made primitive man lethal was not his muscles- it was his methods.


If you want to find an appreciably stronger, more robust human ancestor, you have to leave the species and go for neanderthallers.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 08:16 AM   #29

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Just LOOK at any stone age people- like those in the amazon... they are not muscled, adonises- they have the muscle mass of a marathon runner.

Endurance? Sure... but I have never met a marathon runner I couldn't take in an arm wrestling match.

What made primitive man lethal was not his muscles- it was his methods.


If you want to find an appreciably stronger, more robust human ancestor, you have to leave the species and go for neanderthallers.
Yes. Precisely. Ancient man did not look like Conan.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 08:23 AM   #30

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That said, endurance is a significant advantage. If we pit an average modern man against an average ancient man, I would bet on the ancient man.

If we pit the best modern man against the best ancient man, I would bet on the modern man.
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