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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #121
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Of corse...
The Kazan historical school disclosed in a press and on TV results of blood tests of burial places of MenGol
Soldiers of 13th century.
I will tell to you moreover, two months ago I have deciphered the press of Gujuk Kagan, the Emperor Mengol, and also have deciphered for two minutes poem of Mengol poet from 1324 y.
There everywhere the Kazan-Tatar=Sumer language!
All remaining texts of the secret history of the mongols are written in chinese. Should i now claim mongolian language is chinese? The ilkhanate khans knew persian. Is mongolian a persian language too?
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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:14 AM   #122
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if you have good trasfer from Russian you are able to understand the Great
meaning of those writings...


Печать Гуюк Кагана:

Транскрипция:

MUNGKE TNGRI YIN KUCHUNDUR YEKE MONGGOL ULUS UN DALAI IN HANU JRLG EL BULHA IRGENDUR KURBESU BUSIRETUGEI AYUTUGAI.

Мәнге Тәңре(н)иң качандыр йеге: Мэн-Гол улусын далай-ен Ханы җирлег Ил була

(Это абсолютно точно-Татарский язык!)
УЛУС- это общетюркское слово ЭЛЕШ, УЛЫШ и означает – Неотъемлемое достояние, Часть.

"Вечного Тенгри когда-то (ниспосланная) Ноша(Обязанность, долг):МэнГол-ами завоёванные просторы Хана Государством будут."

Жирлег ил=Государство в своём значении имеющее слово ЖИРЛЕГ =земля, ойкумена, и уточняющее, что завоёванное МэнГолами – не золото, не драгоценности и не предметы быта или домашний скот, а земельные пространства.

IRGENDUR KURBESU BUSIRETUGEI AYUTUGAI

Иркендур.....КУРБЕСУ БУСЕРЕТУГЕЙ АЙУТУГАЙ

Иркен тор... КУРБЕСУ=КУР БЕСУ=??? без ирәтүгәй уятугай (это тоже Татарский язык)

КУРЮ=Взор
БЕСУ=Без(у,э) =Нашему, Наш, от слова Без=Мы
КУРБЕСУ=Нашему Взору

"Свободным будь( оставайся).. НАШЕМУ ВЗОРУ,..нашему научению проснись(просветись)."

ИРАТ-УГӘ=Освобождению....... ӨЙРӘТҮГӘ=Научению, обучению, объяснению.

АЙУТУГАЙ=АЙЕТУГА=Просветлению, Просвещению.

"Вечного Тенгри когда-то (ниспосланная) Ноша(Обязанность, долг):МэнГол-ами завоёванные просторы Хана Государством будут. Свободным будь( оставайся).. НАШЕМУ ВЗОРУ,..нашему научению проснись(просветись)."

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А теперь представлю вам стих МэнГоллского автора от 1324 года:



Билиг нигэн далай буйу .......Основы знаний твоих-размеров ойкумены
көгар тэндэчэ гарийу. .........Небу равным был бы..если бы
билгүн йосуни ...................Знал письменность
билигтү күмүн мэдэиү .........В науке(в знании) преграды перевернул бы
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Билиг=Знания, Знание
Билиг НИГен=Основы Знаний Твои, Начала Знаний Твои, Суть Знания Твоего.

Дала=(по татарски)"Простор", "Просторы", "Ойкумена", "Окружающий мир".
Далай буйу=Далай буйе(по татарски) ="Размеров Ойкумены", "Размеров окружающего мира".

Кёгар=Кюгэр(по татарски)="Голубой", "Серо-голубой", "Небесный"(-Кюк ар)
(Кюгэрчен=Кюгэр+чен="Голубь".)

Тэндэчэ=Тингдэче(по татарски) ="Равняющий".Тинг="Равный".
Гарийу=???...ЭГЭР="Если". ЭГЭР+ИДУ(?)=ЭГАР ИЙУ= "Если бы был"

1)Билгун=???...Бил =Бель="Знай".Гун=аффикс образования существительного от существительного или от глагола, например: Чай. ЧайГю(у)н="Самовар"-по татарски.
И на шумерском и на татарском языках краткая форма глагола одновременно может являться и существительным-в зависимости от места употребления и от контекста.Как в английском языке."Билгун" = "Исследователь" или причастие "Знавший", "Знающий"

2)Билгун= Бельгэн(на татарском)="Знающий".!!!

йосуни= йазуны-йозуны(по татарски)="(Эту)Письменность".Йоз=Йаз="Пиши", "Ковыряй", "Царапай".
Билгун йосуни="Знающий письменность".!!!

Биликту= Биликтэ="В знании", "В науке".

кумун??? =??? КУМА=КАМА=КОМАУ="Преграда" КУМУН="Все преграды"?="Те преграды"

мэдэиу="Переворот"??? По татарски: МЭТЭЙ+чек=МЭТЭЛ+чек="Переворот".Мэтэй ийу=Мэтэй ийе="Перевернул бы".Именно в моем районе татары используют вспомогательный глагол прошедшего совершённого времени ИМДЕ=ИМДУ =ИДЕ в указанной форме: ИЙЕ.

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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:17 AM   #123
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Can you also decipher the Tartaria tablets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tărtăria_tablets)?
Tartaria tablets has numeral sistem ONLY...IMHO
But i'll see them..
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All remaining texts of the secret history of the mongols are written in chinese. Should i now claim mongolian language is chinese? The ilkhanate khans knew persian. Is mongolian a persian language too?
Boris Ishboldin: Sketches from history of Tatars , published in English in New Delhi in 1961, has tried to translate it on Tatar and to publish it under edition of the known Tatar writer-historian of M.Habibullin in Kazan. The book was absolutely unknown in Russia as the author was the emigrant, and the theme of the book and its maintenance in many respects doesn't coincide with officially accepted history of Tatars. I do not want to stop in details of it really a masterpiece of a historical science, let the reader himself will try to appreciate it. Other book, One thousand years from history of Tatars , is capital work of the English historian Edward Parker which first edition was born in 1895. This fundamental work is written on the basis of ancient Chinese sources with own hand translated by the author. The author, the professor of Sinology of the Manchester University, has spent many years in China and participated in numerous expeditions in places where our ancient ancestors lived the people of Gi-EN-NU,well from which Huns and the Turkic people originate. On the basis of the researches and works of the largest historians 18-19 century of century of E.Gibbon, J. Legge, E.Shavan, F.Hirts, etc. the author has almost unequivocally solved a question on an origin of ours people:Scuthae=Gunnu=МenGols=Татаrs
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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #125

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Numerals in Turkic languages sounded precisely also in Sumer language. With оne essential addition: At Shumerian there was also female numeral a system - 10.
ASH
MiN
ESH
LiMMEN
i
ASH
iMiN
USSU
iLiMU
UN

I represented to you both denary systems of Shumerian.
And at the same time I to you have resulted not only their numerical value, but also WISDOM which is concluded, ciphered in these numerals.
Sumerian and Turkic would have been connected well before the rise of the Neolithic culture; It is impossible for them to have a shared numeric system. Even the languages included in the Altaic family do not share numbers beyond 1.
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Sumerian and Turkic would have been connected well before the rise of the Neolithic culture; It is impossible for them to have a shared numeric system. Even the languages included in the Altaic family do not share numbers beyond 1.
"G.Dyorfer has suggested to refuse those methods which use аltaists, finding that these methods are developed for studying of Indo-European languages and can't be applied concerning the Altay languages. The generality of the Altay languages revealed by altaists, G.Dyorfer recommends to explain only a consequence of loans - from Turkic in Mongolian, and from Mongolian in Tungus."

Scherbak A.M. "Introduction in comparative studying of Turkic Jazykov.-s.-items: the Science, 1994.-S.123.
G.Dyorfer doesn't find any reliable case in which the Turkic nuclear word would have the conformity in the Mongolian language. Most likely, there are cases when Turkic and Mongolian languages have the general peripheral basic words that leads the researcher to a following conclusion: the Altay languages show a picture unrelated, and is faster than the mixed languages."
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So you suggest that Sumerian and Turkic belong to the same phylum, while Altaic languages are only connected by contacts and diffusion?

Regarding the case of Doerfer, his position is criticized by Alexander Vovin. Also, Doerfer is not a proponent of the Turkic-Sumerian relations.
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So you suggest that Sumerian and Turkic belong to the same phylum, while Altaic languages are only connected by contacts and diffusion?

Regarding the case of Doerfer, his position is criticized by Alexander Vovin. Also, Doerfer is not a proponent of the Turkic-Sumerian relations.
You do forgery: Doerfer isn't the supporter of Tjurko-Sumer relations, you write, but he didn't investigate Tjurko-Sumer relationship in the work in which investigated the Altay languages.

I don't offer you, I directly CONFIRM: Sumer language=Татar language language. A fat point.
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Were they central Asian? African? Semites from the deep heart of Arabia? came from the Indus valley? white?

Or were they a whole race of their own and didn't belong to other major group?
Define "race". How would they be "all on their own" and not have any sort of origin? And how would we have any positive knowledge from which geographical location they sprang from?

I am sorry, but I think the OP has too optimistic views of our current state of scholarship on the subject.
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You do forgery: Doerfer isn't the supporter of Tjurko-Sumer relations, you write, but he didn't investigate Tjurko-Sumer relationship in the work in which investigated the Altay languages.

I don't offer you, I directly CONFIRM: Sumer language=Татar language language. A fat point.
So at best we do not know his opinion; although by not including Sumerian in his investigations one can assume that he did not consider the relationship plausible. In any case, Doerfer's words are of no use in your argument.
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