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Old April 9th, 2012, 07:09 AM   #21

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Yes, I think the media has done a great job of stereotyping our image of the past.


Am impressed by your reading comprehension skills. Compared to that of others, especially one person in particular, its quite commendable.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 07:10 AM   #22

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Old April 9th, 2012, 08:54 AM   #23

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In ancient Roman, as well as Greek society, the sexual division was not mainly between homosexual and heterosexual but between active (which was associated with manliness) and passive (which was associated with femininity). I guess the penalty of death mentioned earlier for homosexuality would have been reserved for persons defaming free youths etc.
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Can you PLEASE provide sources / footnotes for the points included in this post? RE. female presence on Roman Frontiers. Many thanks.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 11:41 AM   #25

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Great post, but references and titles of books should be included for us interested in this problematic. That's only my desire, not objection though.

However, there is one more part of the puzzle for this that I'd love to add here. For paying prostitutes Roman soldiers used special coins called spynthria. these coins were made to make communications between soldiers and prostitutes who in most cases couldn't speak latin easier. The coins were minted in different values, and every sexual position had it's value, and was depicted on it. So only by showing the coin, soldiers could explain which sexual position or service they want. It looked like this:

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There is record in Suetonius that emperor Tiberius forbidden coins with his picture to be carried in brothels and similar places, which might suggest that these coins were also used for paying in regular city's brothels:

Suet,Tib,LVIII:
Damnato reo paulatim genuscalumniae eo processit, ut haec quoque capitalia essent: circaAugusti simulacrum ser
uum cecidisse, uestimenta mutasse,nummo uel anulo effigiem impressam latrinae aut lupanariintulisse, dictum ullu
m factumue eius existimatione aliqualaesisse. perit denique et is, qui honorem in colonia suaeodem die decerni sibi
passus est, quo decreti et Augustoolim erant.


What is interesting though is that spinthrias are only found in series from I century A.D.

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Nice thread Salah.

I'm currently reading C.R. Whittaker's book called Rome and its frontiers, in which he has a chapter called ''Sex on the frontiers''. He deals with women and their place vis-a-vis roman soldiers (which closely ressembles your thread), but he also studies rape and its meaning in times of war.
It's interesting to note that before far-off provinces were absorbed in the Empire, rape was used to calm the sexual impulses of the soldiers. Apparently, as the provinces were gradually integrated in the Empire, there was some daughters of retired soldiers, local women and some slaves who married younger soldiers, thus regenerating the pool of available womenfolk.
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Very nice thread interesting thanks!
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Very interesting, I never heard of that angle about Maximinus Thrax assassination.

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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #29

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A very interesting post Salah, one that provides a different viewpoint to the traditional ideas of the legions. Thanks.
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In ancient Roman, as well as Greek society, the sexual division was not mainly between homosexual and heterosexual but between active (which was associated with manliness) and passive (which was associated with femininity). I guess the penalty of death mentioned earlier for homosexuality would have been reserved for persons defaming free youths etc.
This is from every point of view the most important fact to consider when talking about Roman sexuality.

I'd add that antonio varrone in his book Erotica Pompeiana(2002) gave short summary of pompeian graffiti. He got interesting results; from all graffiti and inscriptions he studied, 78% were heterosexual, 20% were homosexual and only 2% were pederasty as we tend to call it.
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