Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > World History Forum > Ancient History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Ancient History Ancient History Forum - Greece, Rome, Carthage, Egypt, Mesopotamia, and all other civilizations of antiquity, to include Prehistory and Archaeology discussions


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old September 20th, 2006, 12:52 PM   #1

fire_of_sekhmet's Avatar
Lecturer
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 440
Skeleton sheds light on ape-man species


http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science...tion=cnn_space

NEW YORK (AP) -- Scientists have discovered a remarkably complete skeleton of a 3-year-old female from the ape-man species represented by "Lucy."

The discovery should fuel a contentious debate about whether this species, which walked upright, also climbed and moved through trees easily like an ape.

The remains are 3.3 million years old, making them the oldest known skeleton of such a youthful human ancestor.

"It's pretty unbelievable" to find such a complete fossil from that long ago, said scientist Fred Spoor. "It's a once-in-a-lifetime find."

Spoor, professor of evolutionary anatomy at University College London, describes the fossil in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature with Zeresenay Alemseged of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, and other scientists.

The skeleton was discovered in 2000 in northeastern Ethiopia. Scientists have spent five painstaking years removing the bones from sandstone, and the job will take years more to complete.

Judging by how well it was preserved, the skeleton may have come from a body that was quickly buried by sediment in a flood, the researchers said.

The creature was a member of Australopithecus afarensis, which lived in Africa between about 4 million and 3 million years ago. The most famous afarensis is Lucy, discovered in Ethiopia in 1974, which lived about 100,000 years after the newfound specimen.

Most scientists believe afarensis stood upright and walked on two feet, but they argue about whether it had ape-like agility in trees.

That climbing ability would require anatomical equipment like long arms, and afarensis had arms that dangled down to just above the knees. The question is whether such features indicate climbing ability or just evolutionary baggage.

Spoor said so far, analysis of the new fossil hasn't settled the argument but does seem to indicate some climbing ability.

While the lower body is very human-like, he said, the upper body is ape-like:

# The shoulder blades resemble those of a gorilla rather than a modern human.

# The neck seems short and thick like a great ape's, rather than the more slender version humans have to keep the head stable while running.

# The organ of balance in the inner ear is more ape-like than human.

# The fingers are very curved, which could indicate climbing ability, "but I'm cautious about that," Spoor said. Curved fingers have been noted for afarensis before, but their significance is in dispute.

A big question is what the foot bones will show when their sandstone casing is removed, he said. Will there be a grasping big toe like the opposable thumb of a human hand? Such a chimp-like feature would argue for climbing ability, he said.

Yet, to resolve the debate, scientists may have to find a way to inspect vanishingly small details of such old bones, to get clues to how those bones were used in life, he said.

Bernard Wood of George Washington University, who didn't participate in the discovery, said in an interview that the fossil provides strong evidence of climbing ability. But he also agreed that it won't settle the debate among scientists, which he said "makes the Middle East look like a picnic."

Overall, he wrote in a Nature commentary, the discovery provides "a veritable mine of information about a crucial stage in human evolutionary history."

The fossil revealed just the second hyoid bone to be recovered from any human ancestor. This tiny bone, which attaches to the tongue muscles, is very chimp-like in the new specimen, Spoor said.

While that doesn't directly reveal anything about language, it does suggest that whatever sounds the creature made "would appeal more to a chimpanzee mother than a human mother," Spoor said.

The fossil find includes the complete skull, including an impression of the brain and the lower jaw, all the vertebrae from the neck to just below the torso, all the ribs, both shoulder blades and both collarbones, the right elbow and part of a hand, both knees and much of both shin and thigh bones.

One foot is almost complete, providing the first time scientists have found an afarensis foot with the bones still positioned as they were in life, Spoor said.

The work was funded by the National Geographic Society, the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University, the Leakey Foundation and the Planck institute.
fire_of_sekhmet is offline  
Remove Ads
Old September 20th, 2006, 04:57 PM   #2

Commander's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jun 2006
From: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,348

I just wanted to clean this thread up a bit. Let's try to keep this post on topic.

I realize a lot of you are friends on this board and post jabs about each other. What are harmless jokes to you, may seem like hateful remarks to guests and visitors.

Amergin and 88-Scharführer Nordwinter are friends, so if you see them poke fun at each other, just disregard it as playful humor.

Let the discussion continue
Commander is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 04:59 PM   #3

fire_of_sekhmet's Avatar
Lecturer
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 440

Thanks commander.
fire_of_sekhmet is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 05:00 PM   #4

88-Scharführer Nordwinter's Avatar
Academician
 
Joined: Sep 2006
From: Berlin, Ontario
Posts: 56

You didn't have to delete my first post on the thread, Herr, as it was on-topic (although I can't blame you for just wiping the slate clean) :P
88-Scharführer Nordwinter is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 05:05 PM   #5

Commander's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jun 2006
From: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,348

Quote:
Originally Posted by 88-Scharführer Nordwinter
You didn't have to delete my first post on the thread, Herr, as it was on-topic (although I can't blame you for just wiping the slate clean) :P
It just looked more professional that way

:banana
Commander is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 05:08 PM   #6

Commander's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jun 2006
From: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,348

Is this the "missing link" creationists have been looking for? Half ape-half man?

While the lower body is very human-like, he said, the upper body is ape-like:

# The shoulder blades resemble those of a gorilla rather than a modern human.

# The neck seems short and thick like a great ape's, rather than the more slender version humans have to keep the head stable while running.

# The organ of balance in the inner ear is more ape-like than human.

# The fingers are very curved, which could indicate climbing ability, "but I'm cautious about that," Spoor said. Curved fingers have been noted for afarensis before, but their significance is in dispute.
Commander is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 05:11 PM   #7

88-Scharführer Nordwinter's Avatar
Academician
 
Joined: Sep 2006
From: Berlin, Ontario
Posts: 56

So, in other words, it's a monkey and not a human at all.
88-Scharführer Nordwinter is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 05:17 PM   #8

Amergin's Avatar
Archivist
 
Joined: Sep 2006
From: Earth
Posts: 175

Methinks it's definitely closer to simians. Paleolithic man is generally counted as being around from 500,000 - 10,000 BCE. 3.3 million years ago seems a little far back for the "missing link," since I'd expect the link would be only about another 500,000 years or so before Homo erectus.

EDIT: P.S. I applaud Commander's diplomacy in handling this thread.
Amergin is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 05:42 PM   #9

fire_of_sekhmet's Avatar
Lecturer
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 440

Australopithecus afarensis is a Homind and walked bipeadal. The theory is that apes and humans had a common ancestor and we branched away. A.A is a few steps after the divide. So its still has primitive features. If you want to want to read more about A.A I would look up "Lucy" or the Leaky foundation.
fire_of_sekhmet is offline  
Old September 20th, 2006, 05:43 PM   #10

Comet's Avatar
Jedi Master
 
Joined: Aug 2006
From: IA
Posts: 7,333
Blog Entries: 1

I saw this on the yahoo news site....pretty cool stuff. It is one reason why I still want to be an archeologist....being the one to discover an important artifact that revolutionizes the way we see our world. Thanks for sharing the story with us Fire.
Comet is offline  
Reply

  Historum > World History Forum > Ancient History

Tags
apeman, light, sheds, skeleton, species


Thread Tools
Display Modes


Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.