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Old January 11th, 2017, 01:02 PM   #21

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Wouldn't it just be easier to sling the aspis on the back, keep the sword sheathed, and climb with both hands, or maybe at most a lance in one hand, than trying to manhandle a giant pike up a ladder?
I was channeling an old RAT thread that Paralus and Matt were probably part of. I suggested that a hoplite could not climb with an aspis on his arm and got rightly spanked down (Not an uncommon thing back in the day). Evidently, there are a number of vase images showing hoplites climbing ladders with their shields on their arms rather than slung. Here is one:

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I was channeling an old RAT thread that Paralus and Matt were probably part of. I suggested that a hoplite could not climb with an aspis on his arm and got rightly spanked down (Not an uncommon thing back in the day). Evidently, there are a number of vase images showing hoplites climbing ladders with their shields on their arms rather than slung. Here is one:

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Climbing a ladder butt ass naked with a shield in one hand and a burning torch in your other hand...No thanks!

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Climbing a ladder butt ass naked with a shield in one hand and a burning torch in your other hand...No thanks!

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You forget he is climbing backwards as well and looks like the souce of the costumes in 300.

I have actually climbed a ladder with an aspis, and it is not so hard. You can hold a "shaft" of any kind, ladder or spear shaft, as long as it runs from the top to bottom of your aspis. Side to side is a no go.

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Climbing a ladder butt ass naked with a shield in one hand and a burning torch in your other hand...No thanks!.
Wholeheartedly agree.
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I have actually climbed a ladder with an aspis, and it is not so hard. You can hold a "shaft" of any kind, ladder or spear shaft, as long as it runs from the top to bottom of your aspis. Side to side is a no go.
I'm minded of the "hypaspistai" at the Camels' Fort ascending ladders Paul. I'd agree with Matt: while one might manage a sarisa up a ladder there is not going to be the sort of room you'd need to wield it in any useful fashion atop a wall. These are field weapons I'd think and not the sort to use in this situation. That said, the sarisa was used in defensive siege situations and very well at that. Flamininus had to abandon the siege of Atrax during the Second Macedonian War because the abject failure of his infantry and tactics was on rude display. It seems, from Livy’s language, that the phalanx formed a ‘wedge’ and repulsed every Roman effort to force a way through the breach in the city wall (Livy, 32.17.4-17)
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