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Old April 5th, 2010, 03:54 PM   #1

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Hymn to Aten/ Psalms 104


Did the Great Hymn to Aten, the monotheistic Egyptian diety, develop into one of the biblical Psalms, specifically 104?

http://www.touregypt.net/hymntoaten.htm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...04&version=KJV

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16325

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PSALM 104
[20. Thou makest darkness, and it is night, Wherein all the beasts of the forest creep forth. 21. The young Lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from God.] The tradition of Egyptian, Hindu, and Hebrew cultures starts the day at sunset. Today the day normally starts at sunrise.
AKENATEN'S THE HYMN TO THE SUN
When thou settest in the western horizon of the sky,
[1st comparison, verse 20]
The earth is in darkness like the dead.
They sleep in their chambers
Their heads are wrapped up.
Their nostrils are stopped
And none see the other.
While all their things are stolen
Which are under their heads
And they know it not
Every Lion cometh forth from his den
[2nd comparison, verse 21]
All Serpents they sting
Darkness The world is in silence.
He that made them resteth in his horizon.
[22. The Sun riseth, they get them away,
and lay them down in their dens. 23. Man
goeth forth unto his work And to his labor until
the evening.] Bright is the earth when thou riseth in the horizon.
[3rd , 22]
When thou shinest as Aten by day
Thou drivest away the darkness.
When thou sendest forth thy rays
The two lands (Egypt) are in daily festivity.
Awake and standing upon their feet
When thou has raised them up.
Their limbs bathed they take their clothing
Their arms uplifted in adoration to thy dawning
Then in all the world they do their work.. [4th, 23]
http://www.seanet.com/~realistic/psalm104.html

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I think it is James Breasted who was the first one to make the link between these two texts. In Arthur Weigall, Akhnaton, they are side by side pages 134-5. http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924028678260
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This, is a very interesting post
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Did the Great Hymn to Aten, the monotheistic Egyptian diety, develop into one of the biblical Psalms, specifically 104?

http://www.touregypt.net/hymntoaten.htm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...04&version=KJV

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16325


http://www.seanet.com/~realistic/psalm104.html

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Here is an example from ancient India, from Arjun the Hero poem (funny I just posted about it on another thread?)...

I am the Creator of all things, and all things proceed from me. I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of all things ; I am time ; I am all-grasping death ; and I am renovation

And there are examples from ancient China, and even ancient Mexico where Holy Books or passages sound very familiar. I think it might be traces of a lost mother culture. But that is just my take on it.
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Did the Great Hymn to Aten, the monotheistic Egyptian diety, develop into one of the biblical Psalms, specifically 104?

http://www.touregypt.net/hymntoaten.htm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...04&version=KJV

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16325


http://www.seanet.com/~realistic/psalm104.html

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I think so, in fact the Egyptian book of the dead has many copnnections to the Bible of the Hebrews, including the flood myth. On another note the book of Job has a parallel in babylon, nearly identical. The jews may have originated in Egypt, it would make sense that allot of their myths and beliefs would be similar.

Joseph Campbell does a great job of explaining similar mythic systems amongst varied cultures, but in the case of Jews and Egyptians we might be talking about the same people, and then a cultural split.
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I think so, in fact the Egyptian book of the dead has many copnnections to the Bible of the Hebrews, including the flood myth. On another note the book of Job has a parallel in babylon, nearly identical. The jews may have originated in Egypt, it would make sense that allot of their myths and beliefs would be similar.

Joseph Campbell does a great job of explaining similar mythic systems amongst varied cultures, but in the case of Jews and Egyptians we might be talking about the same people, and then a cultural split.
I thought the Jews were descended from the North West Semetic peoples?
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I'm fascinated by the two words, "Amen".
One is an Egyptian God-,
the other to be said at the end of Christian prayers.
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I think it means "Let it be so".
In old English, it would be "Solice", or Sothlice, or something like that...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wl-OZ3breE"]YouTube - The Lords Prayer in Old English from the 11th century[/ame]

Here it is, at the end. See how many modern English words you can pick up?
Anyway, I dont think "Amen" is an English word. At least not originally.
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Here is an example from ancient India, from Arjun the Hero poem (funny I just posted about it on another thread?)....
Along these lines here is an interresting article : http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf
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Joseph Campbell does a great job of explaining similar mythic systems amongst varied cultures, but in the case of Jews and Egyptians we might be talking about the same people, and then a cultural split.
Southern Palestine was colonized by Egyptians from the time of Narmer (Source Toby Wilkinson, Early Egypt). Palestine had been for so many centuries in and out under Egyptian control, they kept something from it.
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