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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:21 PM   #1

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Greek Tribes and City States


I asked this question in another thread but never got an answer/clarification on this.

My question is that is this true that Tribal Areas as well as City States existed side by side in the Ancient Greece as shown in the map below ?

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Before it was called Greece, Greece was known by the name of Pelasgia and also by the name of Aigialea. Pelasgia means "Land of Cites".

When Pelasgus built the first cities in Arcadia he took the name Pelasgus ("city dweller") and because they now lived in cities the people became Pelasgians, i.e "city dwellers".

The Aigialeans were coastal dwellers. Pelas meant City, Gi meant land and Gialon meant Sea and Akri meant Edge since all used combination of this words as their tribal names.

It was Lycaon who brought in the worship of Zeus and made it a state religion at the same time as Cecrops introduced it to Athens which is why Lycaon took the title Zeus Lycaon.

The Hellenic religion is not pagan its a city state religion and all Greeks are descended from the Gods. They knew that the Gods were their own biological ancestors and founding fathers of their city states, and had historical records and relics of what they did when they lived and their line of decent from them which proved it.

There is no such thing as Greek pagans or paganism. A pagan is anyone who dwells in the country irrespective of their religion or lack of one. Hellenism is a city religion and has no relation to neo-paganism which has no historical basis or tradition. Hellenism is the true Greek religion as practiced by Ancient Greeks.

There were so many city-states scattered round the Mediterranean and Black Sea shores- "like frogs around a pond" as Plato once engagingly put it.
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I asked this question in another thread but never got an answer/clarification on this.

My question is that is this true that Tribal Areas as well as City States existed side by side in the Ancient Greece as shown in the map below ?

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Ah, the dangers of relying on Wikipedia...
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Old June 19th, 2017, 04:43 AM   #4

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I'm not sure that I would trust that map totally but there were indeed areas of Ancient Greece that were more tribal than polis-based. As late as the rise of Macedon, Epirus was more an amalgamation of villages than the usual city-state so I would be inclined to say that Epirus was both Greek and tribal, if 'tribal' and 'city-state' are the only categories we are going to use.
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Yeah, doesn't *Sparta* count as a city-state? Sure, it was *traditionally* a collection of villages, but it was never treated as anything different from a great state. It certainly wasn't just tribal. Nor were a number of other cities in the Peloponnese. Weird.

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I think one problem with the map would surely be the 260 year scope. I couldn't say with any certainty but perhaps some lands this identifies as tribal, specifically in the Peloponnese, were more tribal-oriented in 750, but had developed towards a polis by 490. I don't see how you can broadly brush 260 years of potential civic development into one map without being inaccurate.

That and the strictness of the two options. You can only be tribal or a city-state here and nothing in between and nothing in life is so black and white.

I think I find it specifically interesting/doubtful that Euboea is split between city-state and tribal with a very clean border.
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I asked this question in another thread but never got an answer/clarification on this.

My question is that is this true that Tribal Areas as well as City States existed side by side in the Ancient Greece as shown in the map below ?

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You will never get an answer on this, because there is huge division in people opinion, about the ethnical accuracy of this map, if by "Greek" you understand an ethnic group.

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