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Old April 9th, 2010, 12:28 PM   #1

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Caesar Pronunciation?


What is the actual, proper pronunciation of Caesar's name?

Seezar

or

Kaezer
????
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What is the actual, proper pronunciation of Caesar's name?

Seezar

or

Kaezer
????
From my almost forgotten initiation to Latin... For Romans, C is pronounced as K. So Sicilia pronounced Sikilia. Socii is pronounced Sokii. Hence, the first pronounciation is wrong. However, I seem to recall that there was a debate going on with another university whether 'ae' is pronounced as 'ee' or 'ai'. I was taught the former way, while the other university used 'ai'. Alas, I forget what the actual reasoning behind it was. Or was it the other way around? My memory fails me.

So I would pronounce the name Caesar as Keesar (not Keezar).

EDIT: Ah, wikipedia to the rescue. 'ai' is the archaic pronunciation, while 'ee' is the vulgar pronunciation of the rural folk and became dominant as the years went by.
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Seezar or Kaezer ?
The first one sounds like russian czar, the second like german kaiser. In Italian Caesar is Cesare with a C pronounced like in Ciao or Che (Guevara ).
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The first one sounds like russian czar, the second like german kaiser. In Italian Caesar is Cesare with a C pronounced like in Ciao or Che
Is it that way in Latin? Caius is pronounced with a hard C isn't it?



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(Guevara ).
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Have a look at this http://en.allexperts.com/q/Latin-2145/Roman-History.htm
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The first one sounds like russian czar, the second like german kaiser. In Italian Caesar is Cesare with a C pronounced like in Ciao or Che (Guevara ).
Yes, but that's Italian, not Latin.

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Is it that way in Latin? Caius is pronounced with a hard C isn't it?
It isn't. IIRC (which is not guaranteed) Caesar as originally spoken was almost identical to the modern German "Kaiser".
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The pronunciation is Seezar.

At least thats what i say it when i order Caesar salad at the restaurant.
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Yeah, Hadley. If you ordered a kaiser salad you'd probably get something with sauerkraut in it. The funny one is Cicero, or should I say Kikiro. Sounds Japanese.
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"c" was pretty much invariably pronunciated as a "k" in the ancient world.
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"c" was pretty much invariably pronunciated as a "k" in the ancient world.
may in "your ancient times" was like that , not in mine



the second c in a word may be pronounced K ,,,, but in many , many cases , not the first c


( omg... we will never see the end of this ... lol)

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