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Old January 12th, 2018, 07:22 PM   #1001
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One of the most annoying things about debating with you has been the way you project your own inner tendancies onto everyone else. The posters on my side are not only looking for the good in Roman generals, one of the first things I said was Alexander deserved to be in the discussion for top tier generals; a Macedonian whose elevation has no bearing on Rome, as he never engaged them. I've also spoken up for Roman adversaries like Hannibal, and generals from totally different theatres like the Khan's. The guy who has been ideologically driven here is you! You've had an incredible pro-Phillip agenda, despite admitting you knew very little about the Romans generals you've been so quick and consistent in denigrating (even when your own "facts" are repeatedly disproven)! You are the guy who knew so little about Julius Caesar you claimed he'd never really been outnumbered much in battle and wasn't anything special in tactics or battle strategy. You then amended this to say you meant only in the Gallic Wars (which was also wrong). You have made dozens of factual errors, which I've listed for you at different intervals in these threads (links available on request), yet somehow you still have the nerve to say we're the ones who don't have our facts! Amazing. Just amazing.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 09:00 PM   #1002
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There does seem to be a pretty Eurocentric bias on this forum as regards to great generals. While reading about the history of various nations I was pleasantly surprised to read about a number of exceptional non-European generals (Bai Qi, Wang Jian etc). Yet these guys are almost never even mentioned on this forum when the topic of great generals come up. I find it difficult to believe that people would look at the records of these guys and come to the conclusion that they don't warrant a high rank based on what they achieved.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 09:27 PM   #1003
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There does seem to be a pretty Eurocentric bias on this forum as regards to great generals. While reading about the history of various nations I was pleasantly surprised to read about a number of exceptional non-European generals (Bai Qi, Wang Jian etc). Yet these guys are almost never even mentioned on this forum when the topic of great generals come up. I find it difficult to believe that people would look at the records of these guys and come to the conclusion that they don't warrant a high rank based on what they achieved.
Nobody has suggested that, and I just mentioned the Khan's as an example of great generals.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 10:55 PM   #1004
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I suppose I'm puzzled at why there is so much fascination here with the exploits of Caesar, Marius, etc and so little discussion of Bai Qi, Weng Jian, Chagaputra Maurya, Shapur, etc, etc. It would be great to get people's assessment of how they rank.

Where would you personally put guys like Bai Qi and Wang Jian relative to Caesar and Marius?
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Old January 13th, 2018, 10:59 PM   #1005
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Start your own thread about it, and people who are interested will respond. A thread about Phillip of Macedon is not the right forum for exploring your curiosity about said generals.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 11:01 PM   #1006

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Also, go over to the Military History forum, a lot more people there who are knowledgeable about Asian generals. I don't know a lot personally.
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There does seem to be a pretty Eurocentric bias on this forum as regards to great generals. While reading about the history of various nations I was pleasantly surprised to read about a number of exceptional non-European generals (Bai Qi, Wang Jian etc). Yet these guys are almost never even mentioned on this forum when the topic of great generals come up. I find it difficult to believe that people would look at the records of these guys and come to the conclusion that they don't warrant a high rank based on what they achieved.
Because title says EUROPE ever produced?
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Old January 14th, 2018, 12:03 AM   #1008
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Sorry to go off topic, in any case I think it's clear that Philip does not rank as highly as guys like Marius and Scipio. Philip is probably more on the level of Scipio Aemilianus or Aemilius Paulus.
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Sorry to go off topic, in any case I think it's clear that Philip does not rank as highly as guys like Marius and Scipio. Philip is probably more on the level of Scipio Aemilianus or Aemilius Paulus.
I agree in that Marius and Scipio Africanus are a clear cut above Philip, especially Scipio Africanus.
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Sorry to go off topic, in any case I think it's clear that Philip does not rank as highly as guys like Marius and Scipio. Philip is probably more on the level of Scipio Aemilianus or Aemilius Paulus.
For once I agree with you. These are the sorts of 3rd or 4th tier Roman generals Phillip should be getting compared to.
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