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Old August 1st, 2017, 04:44 PM   #1
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Iaahudi in Hatti Land


Year 7, month Kislimu - The king of Akkad moved his army into Hatti land, laid siege to the city of Iaahudu
Year 8, month Tebetu - The King of Akkad moved his army to Hatti Land as far as Karchemish

These are from the Babylonian Chronicle and are apparently it is referring to the siege of Jerusalem , no reference to
the city of Jerusalem itself , but it clearly puts Iaahudi in Hatti, where Karchemish is located too,

No Biblical historian have explained this geographical contradiction.

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'Hatti Land' is generally the area above, in pink, there is in fact a 'Iaahudu ' in that area, known in Hittite 'Yadiya'
or in Aramaic 'Yaidi' in Hebrew 'Yehude' , also known as Samal , known today as Zincirli Hoyuk in Gaziantep province in Turkey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam%27al
https://zincirli.uchicago.edu/page/inscriptions

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Old August 1st, 2017, 06:08 PM   #2

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For anyone who is reading these painfully ridiculous threads and may not be experienced enough to realize, stringing together unrelated syllables from different languages that just happen to (maybe) sound similar in modern English in order to make such impossible connections is absolutely the WRONG way to study history! That's why no one is arguing with Magus, because there is no way to debate coherently with such madness.

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For anyone who is reading these painfully ridiculous threads and may not be experienced enough to realize, stringing together unrelated syllables from different languages that just happen to (maybe) sound similar in modern English in order to make such impossible connections is absolutely the WRONG way to study history! That's why no one is arguing with Magus, because there is no way to debate coherently with such madness.

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An off-topic personal attack and addressing nothing in this thread. ?

I did look through all the different Annals of various Kings of Babylon and Assyria, for references to 'Hatti' .

Inscription of Tiglath Pileser I
1. Qarqamis belonging to the country of Khatte

2. beyond the river Euphrates, the country of the Khatte and the upper ocean of the setting sun. I brought them under one government; I placed them under the Magian religion, and I imposed on them tribute and offerings.

3. The gods Hercules and Nergal gave their valiant servants and their arrows as a glory to support my empire. Under the auspices of Hercules, my guardian deity, four wild bulls, strong and fierce, in the desert, in the country of Mitan, and in the city Arazik, belonging to the country of the Khatte

Nimrud Slab
[I subdued] from the bank of the Euphrates, the land of Hatti, the land of Amurru in its entirety, the land of Tyre, the land of Sidon, the land of Humri, the land of Edom, the land of Palastu, as far as the great sea of the setting sun. I imposed tax and tribute on them

( North to South order )
Hatti - Amurra - Tyre - Sidon - Humri - Edom - Palastu


Shalmenesser III
I brought in subjection the land of Hatti to its farthest border, the land of Melidi, the lands of Daiani and Suhme, Arzashkun, the royal city of Arame of Armenia, the lands of Gilzanu and Hubushkia,

In my second year, I approached Til-barzip, capturing the cities of Ahūni, son of Adini, and trapping him In his city. Then I crossed the Euphrates at its flood, and captured Dabigu, a fortified city of Hatti

(126–131) In my twenty-fifth year, I crossed the Euphrates at its flood and received the gifts from all the kings of Hatti. I crossed over Mount Amanus to the cities ruled by Katei in the land of Cilicia. I went down, stormed, and captured Timur, his royal city. I killed their warriors, carried off their spoil and destroyed, devastated, and set fire to countless cities. On my return, I seized Mūru, the royal city of Arame, son of Agusi, as a fortress for myself. I strengthened its thresholds and built a palace in it for my royal residence.

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Most of those references place Hatti in its normal place which it is important to note wasn't static- the boundaries varied with time. It is well recorded that at least at some time the southern boundaries were beyond Karchemish and further south than Arazik which was in northern Syria.

There are some references to Hatti land containing Ashkelon which is clearly quite far south and the chronicle of the early years of Nebuchadnezzar II mentions Hatti lands being near Aribi who were raided which would mean the chronicle is calling quite a wide and southern are as Hatti lands so probably distinct from the Hatti homelands of the Hittites and referring most likely to the areas of Hittites Empire conquered by the Assyrrians in Syria and the Levant.
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There is a comma also in that English translation, it can be a list of actions as well.

First "The king of Akkad moved his army into Hatti land", then he "laid siege to the city of Iaahudu".
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