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Old September 14th, 2017, 03:59 PM   #21
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Troy wasn't that big, even considering the lower city:

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Wow, that really nicely puts it into perspective. Where is that from?
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So? It was as big as plenty of other places, including a number of Mycenaean sites. It was very clearly strongly fortified for centuries. What's the point of being THE BIGGEST city or citadel if you're so strong that no one ever attacks you and makes you the subject of an immortal legend? Are the names of the rulers of Uruk household words all over the world today? Heard any stories of the Hattusan Horse?

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Just noticed this on Wikipedia:

"In the late 18th century, Jean Baptiste LeChevalier had identified a location near the village of Pınarbaşı, Ezine as the site of Troy, a mound approximately 5 km south of the currently accepted location. LeChavalier's location, published in his Voyage de la Troade, was the most commonly accepted theory for almost a century.[18]"

So that's interesting. I wonder why Hissarlik came to be considered the superior option.
Hoo, that could be the one I was thinking of, I honestly don't remember. Sorry... But it's worth keeping in mind that we can't argue anything about Troy to fervently if we're not even certain we have the right site.

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I believe the name 'Troy is related to 'Tyre, therefore Troy might have being a Phoenician colony, that are often Walled, like Carthage ' New City of Tyre ' and they are many other Phoenician colonies that bear that name but the name 'Tyre itself means Walled City.
Except that the city was never called Troy. Troy was the land that the city controlled. The walled city was called Ilion. In any case, you can't just take two words from completely different languages that sound a little alike and pretend that they mean the same thing.

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Old September 14th, 2017, 06:33 PM   #25
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all of those cities and quite a few more would fit within the wall of iarcuri [cornesti]. the roman colosseum could sit on that wall.

it is on the shore of a vast drained freshwater sea and all of the other structures and features are there too like the massive temple complex of apollo, greek camp and its associated massive wall and the pillaged tumulus of achilles too..

the german volks fund has adopted it. this honor has not been bestowed on hisarlik.

btw ilios means mud. in the illiad the walls of troy are specifically said to be heaped up earth not stone.
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Except for the possible relocation of Ilios to Ezine, there is nothing in this to surprise.

Yes, the kingdom of Troy probably was larger than just the capital. And yes, other municipalities/cities are probably included. Remember that Homer says allies of Ilios were captured and plundered. Briseis came from one; and Odysseus is "Sacker of Cities"-those cities.

There was some time lapse between the "Trojan War" and the ILIAD. So some mistakes in fact could be expected. "Allies" could be stated by Homer, when in fact the cities could be part of Troy the kingdom.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 01:05 AM   #27
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Except for the possible relocation of Ilios to Ezine, there is nothing in this to surprise.
That's the thing that I'm most interested in. The location of the actual city.
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I greet the people. the city of TROY. additional option.

In my previous article VARYAGI-RUS on the blog varyagi_rus with the help of the Russian language, rule No. 1 (rule of the letter T) of the basic (ancient) Indo-European language was revealed:

1. RUST = RUS-Т = NOT WATER = STONE (SOLID), ALT = AL-T = NOT LAND (NOT BELOW) = HIGH. T - at the end of the base - not (opposition)
2. TOP = T-OR = WITHOUT dispute (WITHOUT CROSSING, LAW). the word ORTA = OR-T-a = does not intersect with a similar meaning. T - at the beginning of the base.

A huge number of Indo-European words were formed with the help of ANTIMANICATION of some basis, base.

The words given in the examples are available in Latin and Greek dictionaries. this makes sense also for deciphering the word TROYA = T-RO... = WITHOUT GOD (godless).

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also in the blog varyagi_rus in the article ETRUSKI. DISCLOSURE when deciphering the Etruscan written monument (surprisingly rich in information), the enemies of the Etruscans SHASU were called TROJANS (godless).

some authoritative historians claim that Shasu are ancient JEWS ??? that is TROJANS = SHASU = JEWS = godless. nonsense ??
on the contrary, it is an excellent proof that SHASU is TROJANS. Greeks, Romans, being highly developed civilizations, did not penetrate deeply into the subtleties of the religions of the peoples around them.

they had their gods, they could be seen, touched. the gods had their own biographies, some of their own affairs. and here are the JEWS. they are talking about ONE GOD, whom you can not see. where is your god, show him? There is no god. godless!

now turn to toponymy. every possible name is extremely tenacious. already may not be a long time of the people, and the names (especially sonorous ones) remain. Trakia. they say that this is from Thrace. let's not believe this time, and decide that the toponym could well have been so. however, Thrace is also suitable. this is the coast of the Black Sea from the side of Bulgaria. than Trakia is noteworthy? it is located not far from DELTUM (Deutoum) ...

what did we read in the ETRUSK text? The city, which SHASU made their own, used to be called PADEUTUM! So: the ancient TROJA = PADEUTUM = DELTUM (DEUTUM) in modern BULGARIA.

it turns out, in the war with the TROY, ETRUSKS also participated.
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nonsense ??
Why, yes! Yes, it is.

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