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Old September 19th, 2017, 02:25 PM   #31
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did not find the message editor, users reported inaccuracies. here are two adjustments. please watch this with my main post.

1. RUST = RUS-Т = NOT WATER = STONE (SOLID), ALT = AL-T = NOT LAND (NOT BELOW) = HIGH. T(D) - at the end of the base - not (opposition)
2. TOP = T-OR = WITHOUT dispute (WITHOUT CROSSING, LAW). the word ORTA = OR-T-a = does not intersect with a similar meaning. T(D) - at the beginning of the base - WITHOUT (absence).


now turn to toponymy. every possible name is extremely tenacious. already may not be a long time of the people, and the names (especially sonorous ones) remain. Trakia. they say that this is from Thrace. let's not believe this time, and decide that the toponym could well have been so. however, Thrace is also suitable. this is the coast of the Black Sea from the side of Bulgaria. than Trakia is noteworthy? there is DELTUM (DEUTUM) in it ...


so that this post was not empty, I'll upload it with a couple of interesting things:

the rule of the basic Indo-European language No. 2: in combinations (RA, RI, RO, RU, RE, etc.) it is possible to change the vowel without loss of meaning, and the meaning of this combination RA (.....) = GOD.

rule number 3: the letter P (PO, PA) = comparison. can be found both at the beginning and at the end of the base. PRIMA = P-RI-MA = how god has. P-(RA, RI, RO, RU, RE)....

from English: KEMP = КЕМ-P = like a hill. In the Kirghiz language, the hill = KEM-ER

a huge number of words of the ancient language was formed with the help of COMPARISONS.

such words are mass in any Indo-European language. especially this rule is well traced in the Russian language (the most undeformed of the Indo-European languages), for example: (the truth)= PRAVDA = P-RA-VDA (VDARIL) - how God gave (inside),
(right) = PRAVIY = P-RA-VIY - how(where) God is at war.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 08:21 AM   #32
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I'm not really sure I see how this addresses the issue...
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Old September 20th, 2017, 12:12 PM   #33
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do you think this problem can be solved just like that on the forum? version. it seems to me promising.

the Roman emperor Trajan (famous for his campaign against the Dacians) may have received the given name not from birth, but as a conqueror of the eastern Balkan lands, where Troy once was. in the end, Thrace was known long before Trajan. Is his eloquent name connected with the ancient Troy (since the Romans of those years knew exactly where she was)?
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the Roman emperor Trajan (famous for his campaign against the Dacians) may have received the given name not from birth, but as a conqueror of the eastern Balkan lands, where Troy once was. in the end, Thrace was known long before Trajan. Is his eloquent name connected with the ancient Troy (since the Romans of those years knew exactly where she was)?
Completely ridiculous in every way. You're just stringing random sounds and letters together *from different languages*...

I shouldn't bother....
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if it were in China, then yes, it's funny. we are talking about a limited territory, and all the consonances should be taken seriously enough ... for example, if I hear the word Angles, I vaguely guess that it is somehow connected with England (no matter how ridiculous it sounds)))

that before different languages ... you, probably, heard of a group of related Indo-European languages that they come from the same root. there are rules that are one for all.
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if it were in China, then yes, it's funny. we are talking about a limited territory, and all the consonances should be taken seriously enough ...
No, they shouldn't be taken seriously. Come back when you want to approach this subject with a proper etymological analysis.
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Just noticed this on Wikipedia:

"In the late 18th century, Jean Baptiste LeChevalier had identified a location near the village of Pınarbaşı, Ezine as the site of Troy, a mound approximately 5 km south of the currently accepted location. LeChavalier's location, published in his Voyage de la Troade, was the most commonly accepted theory for almost a century.[18]"

So that's interesting. I wonder why Hissarlik came to be considered the superior option.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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There isn't much light to shed. Schliemann started digging at Hissarlik and uncovered things that matched Homer's descriptions. Since that time there has been more and more evidence to support Hissarlik as the true location of Ilion - including a geological reconstruction of the land as it would have been at the end of the Bronze Age, resulting in many topological features matching those in the book. We now have more than enough evidence to conclude that Hissarlik is the Ilion described in The Iliad.

http://www1.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2003/troy030303.html
http://www.nature.com/news/2003/0301...s030127-4.html

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Old September 21st, 2017, 03:30 AM   #39
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I also think that Schliemann's version is No. 1. I wonder why at the very beginning of the topic there were no photos of his bronze bust with a laurel wreath above his head. on this subject should be closed. but once the theme is (see the title), there are additional options.

The calculations of this localization are good, but they do not seem to me absolutely
impeccable (as you). First, Troy (there are many parallel names) in the Dardanelles area is too (very, very) close to the cities of ancient Greece. the question arises, why with such closeness did the Greeks have absolutely no mention of this place as a Troy?

the strait that separates the mainland of Greece (from another sea, the marble sea and the sea is difficult to call) - could well be the Bosporus. Deltum (many people settled in this beautiful and convenient bay and had their own cities) is also located relatively near the Bosphorus. The Black Sea is much larger than the Aegean or marble, it could well influence the course of events.

and if Troy was a country? and the events in the Iliad - a local episode? in this case the region of Thrace, Trakia as toponyms quite correspond to the country called Troy. At the same time, this is not a self-designation, but exactly what the Greeks called this area ...

p.s. Dan Howard, (you have a cool pan in the photo) do not take it to your account. this is an advertising action of Etruscan texts, which can greatly change our vision of ancient history (for we have not undergone all kinds of revisions and corrections) ...
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Unfortunately, in the process of forcing his personal Homeric vision on the ruins, he destroyed a lot of evidence before realizing what he had done. Also, Schliemann really didn't come up with the location completely on his own; there was an American, iirc, who worked for the government there who directed him to Hissarlik.
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