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Old September 22nd, 2017, 02:05 PM   #41

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Completely ridiculous in every way. You're just stringing random sounds and letters together *from different languages*...

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Old September 22nd, 2017, 02:14 PM   #42

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γλωσσολαλία itself a compound of the words γλῶσσα (glossa), meaning "tongue" or "language"[3] and λαλέω (laleō), "to speak, talk, chat, prattle, or to make a sound".[

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If "Troy" represents a vast territory with multiple urban centers, instead of a single city - doesn't that sort of render the entire Iliad obsolete? As I understand it, the author(s) of the Iliad do have an understanding that Troy is a city, and there are other entities at play. Dardania for one is mentioned. Other regions with settlements are also mentioned. That suggests that when the authors say Troy is a city rather than a region of cities, they know what they're talking about.

If the Iliad is infact rendered obsolete, in that its depiction of Troy as a single city is flawed, then wouldn't that render this whole excercise of a "real" Troy moot? Sort of like a circle of refutation? How can there be a real "Troy" if the source of our knowledge of said entity is itself flawed?
According to the Iliad and other Greek stories about the Trojan War, King Priam's realm might have been about the size of the ancient kingdom of Lydia, the Hellenistic kingdom of Pergamon, or the medieval Empire of Nicaea.

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even if Priam's kingdom was much smaller than the Lydian, or Pergamon, or Nicaean realms, it would have been large enough to contain many ancient cities (most of them mere villages to modern people).

Priam was not the king of the city of Troy; Troy was the capital of Priam's kingdom.
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Priam was not the king of the city of Troy; Troy was the capital of Priam's kingdom.
Troy wasn't a city at all. Troy was the entire kingdom. The city was called Ilion.
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 03:48 AM   #47

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Troy wasn't a city at all. Troy was the entire kingdom. The city was called Ilion.
I never read the poem in the original Greek, but I have the idea that “Ilium” and “Troy” are the same thing.

Charlton T. Lewis, Charles Short, A Latin Dictionary, I , Il?enses , ?l?um

So… we would fall in the circle mentioned by Tornada:

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If "Troy" represents a vast territory with multiple urban centers, instead of a single city - doesn't that sort of render the entire Iliad obsolete? As I understand it, the author(s) of the Iliad do have an understanding that Troy is a city, and there are other entities at play. Dardania for one is mentioned. Other regions with settlements are also mentioned. That suggests that when the authors say Troy is a city rather than a region of cities, they know what they're talking about.

If the Iliad is infact rendered obsolete, in that its depiction of Troy as a single city is flawed, then wouldn't that render this whole excercise of a "real" Troy moot? Sort of like a circle of refutation? How can there be a real "Troy" if the source of our knowledge of said entity is itself flawed?
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vulgarities, rudeness?

always considered the symbolism a cause for pride. perhaps, my post refers to the section "modernity". but it was a discovery. Eureka. Here and now...
if someone offended, do not be offended. history is something alive. make fun of (not having 100% certainty) - this is the height of vulgarity.
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I never read the poem in the original Greek, but I have the idea that “Ilium” and “Troy” are the same thing.

Charlton T. Lewis, Charles Short, A Latin Dictionary, I , Il?enses , ?l?um

So… we would fall in the circle mentioned by Tornada:
I don't see how. All we have is a misunderstanding of what the city was called. The Greeks attacked one city and surrounding villages. They called that city Ilion/Ilios. It is irrelevant what the kingdom was called.
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vulgarities, rudeness?

always considered the symbolism a cause for pride. perhaps, my post refers to the section "modernity". but it was a discovery. Eureka. Here and now...
if someone offended, do not be offended. history is something alive. make fun of (not having 100% certainty) - this is the height of vulgarity.
How else other than a deliberate slur is one to interpret the phrase "gay asses"?
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