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Old October 13th, 2017, 10:11 AM   #91
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Think of chariotry the same as armored spearheads in modern warfare but on a smaller more intimate scale. Breaking through breaks in the line, attacking support elements and command, and encircling an enemy for destruction.
Chariots would have performed the role of breaking through enemy lines, but more often they would have out maneuvered and encircled the enemy ranks, firing volley after volley of arrows at a rapid pace.

A professor of mine likened the chariot to the F-16 of the Bronze Age. And I must say, that I concur.
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Chariots would have performed the role of breaking through enemy lines, but more often they would have out maneuvered and encircled the enemy ranks, firing volley after volley of arrows at a rapid pace.

A professor of mine likened the chariot to the F-16 of the Bronze Age. And I must say, that I concur.


Chariots may have been used to exploit gaps in the line but not “break through” it. Chariots were used by all cultures that used them as skirmishing platforms utilising hit and run tactics.
Whenever they were used in an assault role they always came off worst.
The F-16 analogy is correct though, in that they were fast, mobile and used to deliver powerful attack from a distance before rapid withdrawal.

Rameses’ propaganda aside Kadesh was a no score draw for both sides. Certainly not a victory.


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Chariots may have been used to exploit gaps in the line but not “break through” it. Chariots were used by all cultures that used them as skirmishing platforms utilising hit and run tactics.
Whenever they were used in an assault role they always came off worst.
The F-16 analogy is correct though, in that they were fast, mobile and used to deliver powerful attack from a distance before rapid withdrawal.

Rameses’ propaganda aside Kadesh was a no score draw for both sides. Certainly not a victory.


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I think the chariots were used in columns, attacking the enemy line near the flanks obliquely with intensive missile fire, and then wheeling and turning at an angle to reform and attack again, kind of like an abrasive wheel --eventually the line could buckle or collapse at a point allowing chariots to pour through near the flank and turn and attack again. If the line breaks and flees, they are cut down.
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This is on Youtube in full, I think:

NOVA - Official Website | Building Pharaoh's Chariot
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For those who do not have the book. Indispensable reference on all aspects of chariots.
"Chasing Chariots, proceedings of the first international chariot conference, Cairo 2012"

https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/19...ew_mode=scroll

Kadesh, to an extent, = an ancient Prokhorovka

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Nefertiti or Nefertari?


Nfr ... Nefer ... beauty ...

In the history of Ancient Egypt [KmT] there have been two Queens who have deserved that adjective more than others.

Neferneferuaten Nefertiti and Nefertiry Meritenmut [Nefertari in Italy].

Who was the most "Nefer"?

Nefertiti
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Or Nefertari?
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Kermes dyed leather chariot parts. Note the green decoration too on the gauntlet --it almost looks medieval. The motif can be found on their linen armour depictions, too:

Ancient Egyptian chariot trappings rediscovered : Nature News & Comment

https://www.world-archaeology.com/fe...r-a-pharaoh-3/
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Chariots may have been used to exploit gaps in the line but not “break through” it. Chariots were used by all cultures that used them as skirmishing platforms utilising hit and run tactics.
Whenever they were used in an assault role they always came off worst.
The F-16 analogy is correct though, in that they were fast, mobile and used to deliver powerful attack from a distance before rapid withdrawal.

Rameses’ propaganda aside Kadesh was a no score draw for both sides. Certainly not a victory.


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Well yes of course. However, undisciplined irregulars certainly would have scattered at the approach of chariots. In that sense, they certainly "could" have been used to break through enemy lines. Though with regards to professional Hittite and Mitanni troops, they would have served to mainly support the infantry. But yes, they most often were used to attack the flanks while the heavily armed spearmen would break through the enemy ranks. These of course, would have been supported by archers positioned on the wings of the main battle line.
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Chariots ...

I remind that they are a temporal reference for the supposed Exodus [which is absent in native Egyptian literature].

Before than the Hyksos brought horses to Egypt they used donkeys and armies walked. So it's anti-historical to sustain that the Exodus happened during the Old Kingdom or during the first intermediate period ... or during the Middle Kingdom.

[With good peace of who says that Ipuwer papyrus makes reference to the "10 plagues"].
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Chariots ...

I remind that they are a temporal reference for the supposed Exodus [which is absent in native Egyptian literature].

Before than the Hyksos brought horses to Egypt they used donkeys and armies walked. So it's anti-historical to sustain that the Exodus happened during the Old Kingdom or during the first intermediate period ... or during the Middle Kingdom.

[With good peace of who says that Ipuwer papyrus makes reference to the "10 plagues"].
Yes, chariots likely appeared as weapons of warfare after the Hyksos invasion. Though there is some evidence for their limited use during the Middle Kingdom. Primarily to transport royal officials.

The Ipuwer Papyrus actually describes the chaotic situation following the collapse of the Old Kingdom. Oblique references are made to the looting of the royal pyramids.
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