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Old October 11th, 2017, 10:39 AM   #21

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Old October 11th, 2017, 10:43 AM   #22

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Newsletter of the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities

MoA Newsletter

This site has taken over since the apparent death of the official SCA website.
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Just as of note the "Scan Pyramids" website has changed their layout. No new information has been posted for over a year. However this proves that the site is not dead. There have been a few tickles in the media over a month ago but nothing new. Next month when the excavation season starts the ant hill may come back to life. So we will have to wait and see.
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Zahi Hawass to publish encyclopedia on Egypt's ancient history next year - Egypt Independent

Zahi Hawass to publish encyclopedia on Egypt’s ancient history next year

Another one to look forward too. this too will probably be a very important academic publication.
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I just want to throw this out. Does anybody consider why the Great Pyramid is so big? does anybody consider why any of the pyramids are far bigger than anything needed for a tomb, and I quickly state that they are of course tombs. When the VoK was chosen, was it just because it was close to Thebes and that El Qurn reminded them of a pyramid, or was it more specifically chosen for El Qurn, which leads back to why was the Great Pyramid so very very big, far bigger than would seem necessary to us other than in terms of, and this sometimes gets mentioned, megalomania, or more flippantly, from "Futurama", Bender's "Remember me!" episode. I think size must have been important, and not anything to do with vanity, but what?
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I just want to throw this out. Does anybody consider why the Great Pyramid is so big? does anybody consider why any of the pyramids are far bigger than anything needed for a tomb, and I quickly state that they are of course tombs. When the VoK was chosen, was it just because it was close to Thebes and that El Qurn reminded them of a pyramid, or was it more specifically chosen for El Qurn, which leads back to why was the Great Pyramid so very very big, far bigger than would seem necessary to us other than in terms of, and this sometimes gets mentioned, megalomania, or more flippantly, from "Futurama", Bender's "Remember me!" episode. I think size must have been important, and not anything to do with vanity, but what?
Harry may know a bit more. Raw power mixed with religious principles. To maintain the continuity of the state the king had to reach the afterlife to perform a number of functions. If not then Egypt would be in jeopardy. The more powerful and better the economy the bigger the resurrection machinery. Also for a while it looked like a pyramid arms race. Like I said Harry may know this more in depth.
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What about entering the field of the royal names? It's an interesting field of research [still well alive].

Pharaohs had identified by two of their names [which were not a few ... at least 5]: the "Son of Ra" name, the birth name, and the "Lord of the Two Lands" name [also known in Egyptology, not in KmT, as "throne name"].

Now ... if we look at the cartouches containing the names of a Pharaoh [or a King, since the term "Pharaoh" is later as for application to the royal person, in the beginning it indicated the Royal Palace, then the function and finally, around the beginning of the New Kingdom, the Monarch] we can note something really common ...

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The bee [and it's quite curious to note that in Ancient Egypt they called it "bjt" ... with a root which sounded like the English "bee" ...]; the duck, the sun ...

What about this?

Above a cartouche in the right section there is a set of symbols which can look different. It's different ... that's the caption for the Great Spouse [Royal spouse, of course].

And this can introduce us to this particular aspect of KmT culture: they "announced" the personages deserving a cartouche with a caption describing their status.
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Tentatively, it could be suggested that while each pair of obelisks, while being dedicated to a particular god and for a particular event connected with the pharaoh, the obelisks may have also been not just obelisks in their own right, but also a representation of the solar temple at Heliopolis as a form of continuity, and that they were always carved from a single block signifies a permanence through time. It is almost like a magic totem pole used to link pharaoh to obelisk and obelisk to the gods, and linking all together from Heliopolis to each obelisk wherever it is. That is of course idle speculation.

However, part of my idea for that comes from what seems to be an alignment from Giza to Heliopolis, and the rising and the setting of the Sun. Hatshepsut's mortuary temple is aligned with her temple at Karnak, where, when both obelisks used to exist, the Sun would rise between the two obelisks and be aligned with her mortuary temple. This appears to mirror the situation at Giza and Heliopolis, so a bond, in a way, between the OK and NK despite the gap in time and various gods coming and going in the meantime.

However, the obelisks of Ramesses II would have marked not the rising and setting of the Sun as seen from looking out from the front of the temple, but from the rear of the temple, so an observer standing at the front of the temple would see it framed in the rays of the sun from behind. I'm not sure about the ritual aspects of having it like that, without the rays of the rising Sun entering the temple, but I guess they knew what they wanted.
Some years ago I was researching the frequency of the Heb-Sed through inscriptions. Whether it was a celebration for the 30th year of a Pharaoh, or a fixed period of 30 year cycles, is still an open question.
However, I read somewhere, and it may have been Flinders Petrie, that these obelisks are the creation of pharaohs who celebrated a Heb-Sed.
The number 21 comes to mind, I think the source I used stated that there are 21 surviving obelisks around the world.
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Harry may know a bit more. Raw power mixed with religious principles. To maintain the continuity of the state the king had to reach the afterlife to perform a number of functions. If not then Egypt would be in jeopardy. The more powerful and better the economy the bigger the resurrection machinery. Also for a while it looked like a pyramid arms race. Like I said Harry may know this more in depth.
Ah, I should have worded differently. I'm looking for what people think the answer might be from their perspectives, considering that there can never be an absolute answer.

The word "continuity" in your post is good.
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