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Old April 19th, 2010, 10:29 AM   #1

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The Carthiginians discovered America?


This suggests they may have discovered America http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1029313

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Re: The Carthiginians discovered America?


I think the Indians discovered America

It is a good possibility that the Carthaginians may have been aware of America - their Phoenician predecessors were the finest mariners in the ancient world, allegedly sailing all around the African continent.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/dontpanic-tour

H2G2's is BBC equivalent to Wikipedia but probably less read and consequentially less monitored. Regardless, you might be interested in searching Google for ''Roman artifacts in Brazil".
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I think the Indians discovered America

It is a good possibility that the Carthaginians may have been aware of America - their Phoenician predecessors were the finest mariners in the ancient world, allegedly sailing all around the African continent.
I was under the impression that a lot of fishermen knew about land in North America. I suppose it reinforces the theory that, prior to the Renaissance, no one cared about discoveries or never had the means of circulating their findings (i.e. no gutenberg press before 1440s)
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Re: The Carthiginians discovered America?


I guess they had more important things on their minds, like farming and fighting.

yes, the Indians... can't forget the natives

It's interesting to think ancient time sailors could make it there with the ships they had! Must have been very adventurous - I'm in no small way jealous. Damn these modern trappings!!!
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If anything it's similar today - "Honey, I think you were supposed to take the last left?" "D'oh!"
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The practical side of this argument would seem to be that the mariners of the Mediterranean did not have either the tools or the technology to cross the Atlantic. Their vessels were intended for Mediterranean conditions, and the Atlantic is a much more rigorous body of water on which to sail. The ships were probably not nearly big enough to carry provisions for such a long voyage (and back).

Coastal navigation is more forgiving than blue water sailing, and in the absence of navigation instruments such as compass or an astrolabe that can be used at sea, mariners tended to stay fairly close to shore - i.e. perhaps sailing along the African coast as even the 15th century Portuguese did.

Those instruments were known fairly early, but not so much as navigational tools. The compass was used as a tool in building and architecture, and the early astrobale was a tool to observe stars from a fixed location, and as a device to establish celestial specific dates as for a calendar. It took some time to adapt them for the rigors of ocean navigation.

The Phonecians-Carthaginians were also commerce minded. It is doubtful that any commercial benefit would have been recognized in such exploits by such practical people. (I know - not very romantic)
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here's a bit more! http://phoenicia.org/america.html

The supposed map just looks like earth to me - though time probably hasn't been kind : /
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Re: The Carthiginians discovered America?


I think that the interpretation on the coin is really stretching it a little. If in fact that is a map, seeing as how everything is so distorted, it could represent Ibiza, Gibraltar, or even the Canary Islands, if in fact they made it that far.
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I think the practical considerations are more convincing than the interpretation on the coin.
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