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Old December 27th, 2017, 04:25 AM   #11
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Ethnicity is a relatively modern concept. It's better to ask the common language that was spoken among Huns. Hungarians have have little to do with the Huns. Although, Huns could speak Ugric. Who knows? Anyway, their self-identification term is Magyar.
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Aren't modern day HunGarians descendants of the Huns?
One of the theories is that the exonym Hungarian comes from the Onogurs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onogurs

Hungarians call themselves Magyar, Magyars were part of the Onogur tribal confederation. Their language is finno-ugric. Not indo-european, not turkic.

Huns were probably multi-ethnic: turkic, finno-ugric, indo-european tribes, forming a loose confederation.
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Mihirkula, Leader of Alchon Huns who Ruled modernday Afghanistan, Pakistan and north west India.

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Mihirakula had conquered Sindh by 520 CE, had a large elephant and cavalry-driven army. Mihirakula destroyed Buddhist sites, ruined monasteries, according to Sagar. Yashodharman, about 532 CE, reversed Mihirakula's campaign and started the end of Mihirkula era.[5][3] Mihirakula issued coins, like the Kushana era kings, showing Oesho or Shiva, which suggests that he may also have patronized Shaivism. Other scholars state that there are many legends surrounding this era and historical facts are difficult to ascertain. The Chinese pilgrim Xuanzang (Hsuan Tsang) mentions Mihirakula as conquering Kashmir first, then Gandhara. He is also mentioned as attempting to conquer central and eastern India, but getting vanquished by Yashodharman and the Gupta king Narasimhagupta Baladitya. Mihirakula was captured during the war, but his life spared because Baladitya's mother intervened and argued against capital punishment.[6][8] He returned to Kashmir, states the Chinese pilgrim, with treachery seized power, attacked Gandhara, then died within a few months.[6]
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he's quite Famous in India as Destroyer of Buddhism. he destroyed many Buddhist Temples and monasteries. at first he even expelled Brahmins from his empire but later he patronized Shiva and become his follower (some sources claim that he worshiped lord Shiva because he was in awe/impressed by him power of destruction.) later he invited Brahmins from all parts of North India back to his empire an gave them large land grants.

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we Brahmins consider him a Warrior of Dharma for his Service to Hinduism, despite him being a turk. you should know that Many Turks like him who ruled Afghanistan were Stunch Hindu who built Temples and invited Brahmins and kshatriyas from all over India to their kingdoms and granted Villages and productive lands to them. Turki Shahis were lat hindu turk kings of Afghanistan who lost their power to Brahmin shahis who ruled Afghanistan for 500 years and lost their kingdom to Kshatriya families.

Coin of Mihirkula with Trident(Trishul) and Bull(nandi) of Lord Shiva.

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we Brahmins consider him a Warrior of Dharma for his Service to Hinduism, despite him being a turk. you should know that Many Turks like him who ruled Afghanistan were Stunch Hindu who built Temples and invited Brahmins and kshatriyas from all over India to their kingdoms and granted Villages and productive lands to them. Turki Shahis were lat hindu turk kings of Afghanistan who lost their power to Brahmin shahis who ruled Afghanistan for 500 years and lost their kingdom to Kshatriya families.
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The name "Mihirakula" is most likely of Iranian origin and may have the meaning "Mithra's Begotten", as translated by Janos Harmatta.[7]
Just curious, since his name is clearly iranian, why do you think he is a turk?
Also Hephtalite language was iranian, why do you think they were turks?

The "white huns" as they are known were most probably indo-iranian, one of the reasons why some people think that the rest of the huns might have been largely iranian.

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One of the regions of the Hephtalites was called Tokharistan

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I've seen the original language of the Huns described as proto-Turkic.
But the Huns were multi-lingual so I'm not even sure they had one official language.

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Just curious, since his name is clearly iranian, why do you think he is a turk?
Actually many turks before Mughal massacre of Central Asian Iranids ("Aryans") Turks who settled in Central Asia became heavily Caucasoid due to mixing with Iranids who were in majority of central Asia.

if you look at facial features of mihirkula you realize that hes predominantly iranid as his turkic tribe was most likely living in central Asia for centuries as nomads. theats why they were called "Sweta Huna" in Sanskrit it means White Huns when they invaded India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huna_people

even during Delhi Sultanate muslim kings of Turkic Background were Caucasoid thats why then Mongols destroyed Central Asia Indian Turkic Muslim nobles described them as ugliest creatures in the world.
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Just curious, since his name is clearly iranian, why do you think he is a turk?
Also Hephtalite language was iranian, why do you think they were turks?

The "white huns" as they are known were most probably indo-iranian, one of the reasons why some people think that the rest of the huns might have been largely iranian.
many turkish people have adopted Indian or iranian culture title-to-time when they have migrated to frontier lands of these two ancient civilizations. mot recent example would be Turkic Kings and Mughal Kings od Delhi who petronised Iranian culture instead of Turki Sahhis and Mhir kulas who adopted Indian culture.

actually large number of Huns were accepted into Kshatriya varna of Hinduism as Rajputs.

here,
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now look at the facial features and mustache of Rajput kings of India.

https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...avi-sharma.jpg

http://www.rajputs.myewebsite.com/im...60862014_a.jpg

http://img.masterpieces.asemus.museu.../images/18.JPG

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/36/c1/b...han-rajput.jpg

fascinating, isn't it ?

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One of the theories is that the exonym Hungarian comes from the Onogurs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onogurs

Hungarians call themselves Magyar, Magyars were part of the Onogur tribal confederation. Their language is finno-ugric. Not indo-european, not turkic.

Huns were probably multi-ethnic: turkic, finno-ugric, indo-european tribes, forming a loose confederation.
It's not just a theory, but a fact that Hungar is derived from Onogur.

The Hunnish Empire was multi-ethnic, but the Huns that founded the empire had their own Hunnish language and identity. The strongest theory is that the Huns were most likely Oghur Turks, but there isn't conclusive evidence for this.
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I wud say, they were Turko-Iranic, even from the every beginning. Becos Central Asia all the way to the borders with the Sinitic regions, in ancient times, even in the thousands BC, was originally an indigenous homeland of the Indo-Iranian & Indo-Aryan peoples. The Turkic peoples only arrived much later.

And as the Huns moved westward, they gradually & progressively even more Iranic than Turkic, something like the peoples of today's Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan & Turkmenistan. Subsequently, going closer to Europe, they just kept steadily becoming more & more Europoid.

Point is, they did not appear in Europe from eastern Central Asia in a matter of weeks, or even years, but more like several generations.

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From what I have read modern scholars seem to think, that Huns were not ethnicity, but coalition of different tribes. So, they don't really have ethnicity. We may speculate what was tribe that started whole thing, but we really don't know.
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