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Old December 16th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #1

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Etnicity of the Huns?


Huns were european looking or asian looking?
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Old December 16th, 2017, 10:03 AM   #2

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I do not have a comprehensive answer, but I know that in one region of France even tody, people are born with a birthmark that only Turko-Mongolian people get. I would say they were overwhelmingly Turko-Mongolian originally, and as Attila built his army European types were added.

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The people called Huns, barely mentioned in ancient records, live beyond the sea of Azof, on the border of the Frozen Ocean, and are a race savage beyond all parallel. At the very moment of birth the cheeks of their infant children are deeply marked by an iron, in order that the hair instead of growing at the proper season on their faces, may be hindered by the scars; accordingly the Huns grow up without beards, and without any beauty. They all have closely knit and strong limbs and plump necks; they are of great size, and low legged, so that you might fancy them two-legged beasts, or the stout figures which are hewn out in a rude manner with an ax on the posts at the end of bridges.
They are certainly in the shape of men, however uncouth, and are so hardy that they neither require fire nor well flavored food, but live on the roots of such herbs as they get in the fields, or on the half-raw flesh of any animal, which they merely warm rapidly by placing it between their own thighs and the backs of their horses.
They never shelter themselves under roofed houses, but avoid them, as people ordinarily avoid sepulchers as things not fit for common use. Nor is there even to be found among them a cabin thatched with reeds; but they wander about, roaming over the mountains and the woods, and accustom themselves to bear frost and hunger and thirst from their very cradles....
There is not a person in the whole nation who cannot remain on his horse day and night. On horseback they buy and sell, they take their meat and drink, and there they recline on the narrow neck of their steed, and yield to sleep so deep as to indulge in every variety of dream.
And when any deliberation is to take place on any weighty matter, they all hold their common council on horseback. They are not under kingly authority, but are contented with the irregular government of their chiefs, and under their lead they force their way through all obstacles....
None of them plow, or even touch a plow handle, for they have no settled abode, but are homeless and lawless, perpetually wandering with their wagons, which they make their homes; in fact, they seem to be people always in flight....
This active and indomitable race, being excited by an unrestrained desire of plundering the possessions of others, went on ravaging and slaughtering all the nations in their neighborhood till they reached the Alani....
In the meantime a report spread far and wide through the nations of the Goths, that a race of men, hitherto unknown, had suddenly descended like a whirlwind from the lofty mountains, as if they had risen from some secret recess of the earth, and were ravaging and destroying everything which came in their way.
And then the greater part of the population resolved to flee and to seek a home remote from all knowledge of the new barbarians; and after long deliberation as to where to fix their abode, they resolved that a retreat into Thrace was the most suitable for these two reasons: first of all, because it is a district most fertile in grass; and secondly, because, owing to the great breadth of the Danube, it is wholly separated from the districts exposed to the impending attacks of the invaders.
Accordingly, under the command of their leader Alavivus, they occupied the banks of the Danube, and sent ambassadors to the emperor Valens, humbly entreating to be received by him as his subjects. They promised to live quietly, and to furnish a body of auxiliary troops if necessary.
While these events were taking place abroad, the terrifying rumor reached us that the tribes of the north were planning new and unprecedented attacks upon us; and that over the whole region which extends from the country of the Marcomanni and Quadi to Pontus, hosts of barbarians composed of various nations, which had suddenly been driven by force from their own countries, were now, with all their families, wandering about in different directions on the banks of the river Danube.
At first this intelligence was lightly treated by our people, because they were not in the habit of hearing of any wars in those remote districts till they were terminated either by victory or by treaty.
But presently the belief in these occurrences grew stronger and was confirmed by the arrival of ambassadors, who, with prayers and earnest entreaties, begged that their people, thus driven from their homes and now encamped on the other side of the river, might be kindly received by us.
The affair now seemed a cause of joy rather than of fear, according to the skillful flatterers who were always extolling and exaggerating the good fortune of the emperor. They congratulated him that an embassy had come from the farthest corners of the earth, unexpectedly offering him a large body of recruits; and that, by combining the strength of his own people with these foreign forces, he would have an army absolutely invincible. They observed further that the payment for military reënforcements, which came in every year from the provinces, might now be saved and accumulated in his coffers and form a vast treasure of gold.
Full of this hope, he sent forth several officers to bring this ferocious people and their carts into our territory. And such great pains were taken to gratify this nation which was destined to overthrow the Empire of Rome, that not one was left behind, not even of those who were stricken with mortal disease. Moreover, so soon as they had obtained permission of the emperor to cross the Danube and to cultivate some districts in Thrace, they poured across the stream day and night, without ceasing, embarking in troops on board ships and rafts and on canoes made of the hollow trunks of trees....
In this way, through the turbulent zeal of violent people, the ruin of the Roman Empire was brought about. This, at all events, is neither obscure nor uncertain, that the unhappy officers who were intrusted with the charge of conducting the multitude of the barbarians across the river, though they repeatedly endeavored to calculate their numbers, at last abandoned the attempt as hopeless. The man who would wish to ascertain the number might as well (as the most illustrious of poets says) attempt to count the waves in the African sea, or the grains of sand tossed about by the zephyrs....
At that period, moreover, the defenses of our provinces were much exposed, and the armies of barbarians spread over them like the lava of Mount Etna. The imminence of our danger manifestly called for generals already illustrious for their past achievements in war; but nevertheless, as if some unpropitious deity had made the selection, the men who were sought out for the chief military appointments were of tainted character. The chief among them were Lupicinus and Maximus,—the one being count of Thrace, the other a leader notoriously wicked,—both men of great ignorance and rashness.
And their treacherous covetousness was the cause of all our disasters.... For when the barbarians who had been conducted across the river were in great distress from want of provisions, those detested generals conceived the idea of a most disgraceful traffic; and having collected dogs from all quarters with the most insatiable rapacity, they exchanged them for an equal number of slaves, among whom were several sons of men of noble birth....
So now, with rage flashing in their eyes, the barbarians pursued our men, who were in a state of torpor, the warmth of their veins having deserted them. Many were slain without knowing who smote them; some were overwhelmed by the mere weight of the crowd which pressed upon them; and some died of wounds inflicted by their own comrades. The barbarians spared neither those who yielded nor those who resisted....
Just when it first became dark, the emperor, being among a crowd of common soldiers as it was believed,—for no one said either that he had seen him or been near him,—was mortally wounded with an arrow, and, very shortly after, died, though his body was never found. For as some of the enemy loitered for a long time about the field in order to plunder the dead, none of the defeated army or of the inhabitants ventured to go to them.
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Old December 16th, 2017, 12:36 PM   #3
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This is a loaded question, as much of Asia was inhabited by Whites or Eurasians even East of the Ural mountains and became much more Mongoloid only in recent centuries.
reconstructions of the original Magyars and Khazars show Mongoloids, but the Huns came out of what is now Mongolia and Shinkiang/Xinjiang both of these areas have lots of R1a and R1b Y-DNA (which are both today mainly European, though they originated near lake Baikal) and X Mt-DNA is very common too (this is the main Haplotype of Western European women. The answer is that mainly they were Mongoloids mixed with Eurasians and completely White European looking women and men. When in Europe they interbred with Europeans so became more White European looking. I'm making the assumption you mean White by European, though Europe has Romani/Gypsies who are certainly not White (or at least very dark whites) and the Lapps who are mainly Mongoloid. Note: Y-DNA is never mixed it's only the DNA of ones fathers and passes only to sons from their fathers. This means that most of those of Pure Hun descent would be still Eurasians. I have no idea how common Eurasian looking men are amongst the Modern Magyars.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 05:17 AM   #4
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I personally believe the Huns are with european origins , check this book have a lot of answers : https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false

Meanly russian scholars defense the mongol origins of the Huns. They claims a little tribe push by chinese moved to Europe, only couple of hundreds survive, and then they conquered half of Europe. It seems to me like a fantasy but hey who Am I to judge...

Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen makes more realistic conclusion to me.
Like all not a lot of scholars works on this topic
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 08:24 AM   #5

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My understanding is the Huns were Turko-Mongolian. Along the way, they picked others, some of whom were European so that, by the time they reached the Roman Empire, some were probably of mixed blood, along with the originals and those with those added along the way.
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Aren't modern day HunGarians descendants of the Huns?
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Hungarians has nothing to do with the Huns. They come from so called oghroo-fini it means also related to Fins (Finland). I don’t why many historians seems to find mongols or Turks in early medieval Europe. When the evidence disprove that. The huns are not so different then any other European. Priscus is send on a diplomatic mission to Atilla, and he described them as scythians, he doesn’t find anything unusual. Don’t you thing if they are asian looking he will just miss it! Sorry folks but history is not a fantasy is based on data. Priscus give as what we can classify as a level 1 data, he is a eye witness.
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Aren't modern day HunGarians descendants of the Huns?
They have a miniscule amount of Magyar blood.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 12:06 PM   #9

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Attila may have Turkic roots.

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Hyun Jin Kim noted Attila has more natural and probable Turkic etymology.[5] Omeljan Pritsak considered ̕Άττίλα (Atilla) a composite title-name which derived from Turkic *es (great, old), and *t il (sea, ocean), and the suffix /a/.[6] The stressed back syllabic til assimilated the front member es, so it became *as.[6] It is a nominative, in form of attíl- (< *etsíl < *es tíl) with the meaning "the oceanic, universal ruler".[6] Peter Golden, citing Pritsak, like László Rásonyi connected Attila's name with Menander note in which used term Attilan as the name of the Volga River (Turkic Atil/Itil; "great river").[7] J.J. Mikkola connected it with Turkic āt (name, fame).[3] Gerd Althoff considered it was related to Turkish atli (horseman, cavalier), or Turkish at (horse) and dil (tongue).[3]
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They have a miniscule amount of Magyar blood.
From where you have this information, could you show me your source? Atilt in English means :In the manner of a tilter; in the position, or with the action, of one making a thrust. So maybe he is anglo-Saxon normand!!! Atil is a Muslim baby Boy name, it is an Persian originated name. I can find meaning and similarities in every language. To proof only by the name the ethical indetity wow. But lets talk about the huns language: Priscus and Jordanes give us some words- med, strava, hrana, ugishtenue, var. I will be interesting to see which Turkish word corespondent, but if any one of you ask any slav and I’m sure will give you an answer.
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