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Old December 30th, 2017, 12:41 PM   #11
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Why not relief on the single sheet metal of the crown?
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Old December 30th, 2017, 01:27 PM   #12

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Why not relief on the single sheet metal of the crown?
Do you mean by engraving the dots? I want to use different layers to create depth.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 10:37 PM   #13
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Do you mean by engraving the dots? I want to use different layers to create depth.
No. I mean embossing. Either repousse or chasing. Meaning that if you looked to the reverse side, to the inside of the crown, you would see the same design in reverse.
Enamelling was also known. Mask of Tutanhamun did feature gems.
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The Imperial crown of the Holy Roman Empire was made in the late 10th or early 11th century.

Photos of it show the type of gems used and how they were attached.

https://www.google.com/search?q=crow...w=1920&bih=949

The Iron Crown of Lombardy was made in 2 eras, the 4-5 centuries and the 8th century, according to current theories.

This link to pictures of it shows that the gems were apparently in their natural pebble-like condition and shows how they were attached.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Iron...w=1920&bih=949

The lower part of the Holy Crown of Hungary was made in Constantinople about 1070 and given by Michael VII Doukas to Geza I. The Pictures show the type of gems that were used and how they were attached.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Holy...w=1920&bih=949

Here is a link to images of medieval Korean crowns.

https://www.google.com/search?q=medi...w=1920&bih=949

I don't know how ancient Armenian crowns would have been made or what materials or gems they could have had. But if, repeat if, they were made like early medieval European and Korean crowns, those pictures show how they would have been constructed and how the gems would have been attached.

I hope that these pictures show that the original question title:
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Did ancient crowns/tiaras had diamonds or beads?
is misleading. The pictures show that early medieval crowns used gems of many different types and that the question should not be "diamonds or beads".

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Do you mean by engraving the dots? I want to use different layers to create depth.
Right, a cylindrical sheet of gold with the repousse designs, attached to a felt base with sheet gold disks applied. Also, I strongly suspect that the design shown is only a portion of a repetitive design that wraps around crown. There are probably a number of starbursts on the crown regularly interspersed with the bird design.Also, the felt bottom edge appears to be rolled and stitched over, as the Egyptians and many others did.
You can get a sheet of Nugold to make it.
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The second source says "We may also add, from the same authority, that the method of polishing diamonds was first discovered in 1456, by Louis Berquen, a citizen of Bruges, previous to which time the diamond was only known in its native uncut state."

And the Romans probably used it but also around the first century AD, and not before that. They probabaly decorated crowns back then with pearls or beads??



This is what i have made so far of the Artaxiad crown:

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I need to know how these crowns looked back then and what kind of decoration it had.

Antiochus I Theos of Commagene also depicts exactly the same Armenian crown with the Artaxiad coat of arms displaying his Armenian lineage, as did Tigranes the Great.

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The million dollar question is what are those dots on hes crown?[/Qdis]

I'd very strongly suspect gold sheet disks.
It is incorrect to claim that there was an Artaxiad coat of arms. Heraldry began in western Europe sometime between 1100 and 1200. It is quite possible that the Artaxiad dynasty and maybe other Armenians had symbols that were used similar to coat of arms.

There were many possible ways to depict the Artaxiad symbol on the surface of a crown. For example, it oculd be man de of small gems attached to the crown, and the depictions could simplify that to make the rays of the star seem to be sold objects (or areas of a color) instead of several gems.

As for the dots on the crown, there are many possible things that they could be depictions of.

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