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Old April 13th, 2018, 05:08 PM   #1
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Carthage is mentioned in the Book of Ezekiel

Ezekiel 27:25
The ships of Carthage did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas.
πλοῖα ἐν αὐτοῖς Καρχηδόνιοι ἔμποροί σου ἐν τῷ πλήθει ἐν τῷ συμμίκτῳ σου καὶ ἐνεπλήσθης καὶ ἐβαρύνθης σφόδρα ἐν καρδίᾳ θαλάσσης

"Ships of Carthage did Sing" ( Sirens) .

Phoenician word ' Sing' is שׁוּר [SUR], also spelt שִׁיר [SIR].

שִׁיר [SIR] - sing, singer, singing men, singing women
Σειρήν [Siren] - singing women that lured nearby sailors with their enchanting music

אֳנִי [ANI] - Ship, Navy, seamen.
ναῦς [NAUS] - Ship
Navis (Latin)

Καρχηδόνιοι is תַּרְשִׁישׁ [Tarshiysh] .

Gen 10:4 - Carthage
1 Kings 10:22 - Navy of Carthage
2 Chronicles 9:21 - For the king's ships went to Carthage
Isa 23:1 - The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Carthage
Eze 27:12 - Carthage was thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all kind of riches
Jon 1:3 - But Jonah rose up to flee unto Carthage

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Old April 13th, 2018, 06:06 PM   #2
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I have a solution for the interchanging of Καρχηδών & Θαρσις , dialects.
Κ-Θ, χ-σ , δ-ς

Καρχηδ > Θαρσις

Phoenician colonists from modern-day Lebanon, led by Dido (also known as Queen Elissa), founded Carthage circa 814 BC.

Elissa [Ελισα] appears in Gen. 10:4 next too Carthage.
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Old April 13th, 2018, 06:42 PM   #3
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Melqart was the tutelary god of Carthage and identified with Heracles and referred to as the Tyrian Herakles.

The names Melqart & Herakles are linguistically identical.


Mercury - God of Merchants

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Old April 13th, 2018, 07:20 PM   #4
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It is commonly believed, Melqart means 'King of the City' but this is folk-etymology , the true root meaning is *merg- 'boundary-marker' , this applies to Hercules, Mercurius and Hermes.

Ἑρμῆς (Ermhs)
- Pillar surmounted by bust,
- Boundary Marker
- Orienteering stones

- Boundary markers dedicated to Hermes as a god of travelers

Mount Hermon (ἑρμαῖον) is the boundary marker in the Levant.
- Mount Hermon (Jos 11:17)

The Pillars of Hercules are boundary markers.

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Old April 14th, 2018, 11:22 AM   #5
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In Ezekiel 10:9 , Tarshish [תַּרְשִׁישׁ] is ἄνθρακος (white-beryl) .
ἄνθρακος > ἄθρακος > αθρακα > Africa

Καρχηδ , Θαρσις , ἄνθρακος . Θρᾴκη, Θρᾷξ.

Winged Sandles
Hermes, Mercurius and Perseus are often depicted with Winged Sandles, known as Pteroenta Pedila, or Talaria.

Habbakkuk 3 (Habbakkuk = Hephaestus)
burning coals went forth at his feet.
πρὸ προσώπου αὐτοῦ πορεύσεται λόγος καὶ ἐξελεύσεται ἐν πεδίλοις οἱ πόδες αὐτοῦ

This verse is very different in the Septuagint, it literally says
" flying around...sandals went forth from his feet "

The word 'Coal' (רֶשֶׁף) in Hab 3 is used in Songs 8:6 but the Septuagint translates it περίπτερα (Periptera) 'flying around' .

Flying-sandals said to be created by Hephaestus (Vulcan), the black-smith god

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Phoenicians, are named for the Phoenix ( bird ), so Phoenicians are like Birds that fly around the Mediterranean making nests (קֵן) ' πέτρᾳ τὴν νοσσιάν ' and thus flying-sandals a Phoenician motif.

Jer 22:23
O inhabitant of Lebanon, that makest thy nest in the cedars,
* Nest is קָנַן (Qanan)

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Old April 14th, 2018, 11:32 AM   #6
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Tarshish isn't Carthage you can't make any linguistic connection whatsoever to it.
It was a place associated with silver, and probably an island: Internet Archaeol. 35. Thompson and Skaggs. Philological considerations
The indications that Tarshish might have been an island in the distant west include Psalms 72, where a chain of scaled correlates often translated as 'mountains and hills', 'rain and showers', 'seas and river' and 'Tarshish and islands' appears in parallel construction. Tarshish's place in this patterned line-up might indicate that it was understood as a large island, or even as a large group or region of coastlands and islands. Nuanced reinforcement is found in Esarhaddon's 7th-century inscriptions that categorise Tarshish as an island, and appear to point towards its location in the west. Although they are not identical (both are damaged), the two relevant inscriptions are jointly referred to as Aššur Babylon E (AsBbE) and sometimes treated as duplicates (Leicthy 2011, text 60). One is K18096, a fragmentary clay tablet found at Nineveh, now in the Kuyunjik collection of the British Museum. The other was discovered at Aššur on a fragmented alabaster tablet, now kept in the Istanbul Archaeological Museum (EŞ6262). It reads:

gi-mir KUR-š a-bel š-pur MAN.MEš š MURUB₄ tam-tim D-š-nu TAKUR.ia-da-na-na KUR.ia-man a-di KUR.tar-si-si a-na GR.II-ia ik-nu-š
All the kings from the lands surrounded by sea- from the country Iadanana (Cyprus) and Iaman, as far as Tarshish, bowed to my feet.
Iaman is difficult to render with precision; it might refer to Ionia, Greece (Kalimi 2005), or to an island or islands in the Aegean, and Tar-si-si has been variously rendered Tarshish and Tarsus (emended from Nu-si-si once read as Knossos, Pritchard 1955, 290, with references). In any case, the tablet specifies tar-si-si as a region that is š MURUB₄ (normalised qablu); this means it is 'in the middle of' or 'surrounded by' tam-tim 'the sea', and appears last in a set of geographical markers that seem to point west from Cyprus (Elat 1982, 58).

In these instances, š MURUB₄ (qablu) might be construed as a term for coastlands or groups of islands and coasts in general, except that Esarhaddon's inscriptions regularly distinguish island locations like Cyprus, Sidon and Tyre as š (ina) MURUB₄ tam-tim, from seacoasts that are a-ḫi tam-tim. This contrast is more apparent in the polysemic use of these terms for body-parts. The word a-ḫi that designates seacoasts, also means 'arms', whereas qablu that refers to islands, also means 'hips', 'loins' and 'waist'. From here, we see a-ḫi as 'arms' referring categorically to things that are lengthy or extended, while qablu signifies things that are rounded and can be girt – in fact, the word sometimes meant 'belt'. And so we find qablu used to refer to the centres of land-locked citadels like Nineveh, and also to the sea-girt island-cities of Sidon and Tyre (Esarhaddon Text 1:iii 41'; 2: I 14'; 60: o 7'), and distinguished from seacoasts (Esarhaddon Text 2: iv 55'). The reading of tar-si-si as 'Tarsus' is incorrect.
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Old April 14th, 2018, 12:22 PM   #7
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Gen 10:5 - ἀφωρίσθησαν νῆσοι

ἀφορίζω (Aphorizo) ' Mark of by boundaries'
νῆσοι ( Nhsoi ) 'Island or a ship's destination'
- from ναῦs (Ship)

איי ( AII) - αἶα, αἴας ( earth, land)
גּוֹי (GUI ) - γῇ ( earth , land)

The word νῆσοι (NHSOI) is similar too νοσσιάν (Nossian) 'a nest' , used figuratively in the Bible describing Phoenicians ( Num 24:21, Jer 22:23),

איי גּוֹי ( Aii gowy) - Αιγαίο (Aegean)

Αιγαίο Πέλαγος (Aigaio Pelagos )
Πελασγικός ( Pelasgikos)
πελασ-γοί ( Pelas-Goi)
Ἄτλας γοί ( Atlasgoi)
Ἄτλαςγοί νῆσοι (Atlasgoi Island) ( Atlantis)

τλαςγοί ( Tlas-goi )
> Tars-Goi
> Θρᾷξ ( Thrax)
> Θαρσις (Tharsis)
> Καρχηδ (Carthage )

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Old April 14th, 2018, 12:23 PM   #8
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Are you for real?
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Old April 14th, 2018, 02:08 PM   #9
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I have discovered the meaning of Carthage, Africa, Atlantis and Pelasgoi.

Θαρσις (Tharsis), Καρχηδ (Karxod) and Ἄνθρακ (Anthrak) interchange and
the root meaning is ἀφορίζω (Aphorizw) "boundaries'

The mountains in Carthage are the Atlas mountains.

Ἄτλαςγοί > Ἄτραςγοί > Ἄθραγοί 'Athragoi (Africa)
Ἄθραγοί > θραγοί > Καραγοί 'Carthagoi (Carthage)
θαραγοί > Πελασγοί 'Pelasgo
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Old April 14th, 2018, 02:14 PM   #10

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Carthago (from which we get Carthage) was the Latinization of Kart-hadasht . Kart-hadasht means new city in Phoenician.
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