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Old April 17th, 2018, 01:52 PM   #11

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Songs 6:10 - Fair as the moon (𐤋𐤁‬𐤍‬𐤄)

Phoenician Language as being in a theological closet for quite some time, so the thread will prove that Phoenician language is not an ethnic specific language and that it belongs with the Latin & Greek family.
So ...

are you suggesting that we didn't just adopt an alphabet, but we belong to the same linguistic family? [Greek and Latin alphabets have been developed substantially starting from the Phoenician one].
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So ...

are you suggesting that we didn't just adopt an alphabet, but we belong to the same linguistic family? [Greek and Latin alphabets have been developed substantially starting from the Phoenician one].
Some of the Phoenician characters, as well as vocabulary is similar too Mycenaean Greek, written in Linear B .

Linear A dates between 1800–1450 BCE

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This is the Linear B glyph for a Horse, similar too P & q , the primary letters in Horse-names, Equus, Hippos. ק ‬ .
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The very first word of Genesis is RAS (ראש)

𐤓𐤀‬𐤔 Chief or head (of man, city, nation, place, family, priest)
- Rex "an arbitrary ruler, absolute monarch, king"
- Αρχός 'Leader, chief, commander ρ-χ

𐤓𐤀‬𐤔 'Sum' (of a number)
- ἀριθμός ( Arithmetica ), ἀρχὴν

*reg- is a PIE root

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This is crucial evidence, the definite article.

In French, names are prefixed LE i.e Le Pape , in Spanish they use EL, Latin Ille
i.e Ille Alexander , in Phoenician it is AL as it is in Arabic.

𐤀𐤋 = ὁ/πρός

𐤀𐤋 𐤀‬𐤁𐤓𐤄𐤌‬‬ Al-Abreem ( Exodus 6:3) *Al Ibrahim
𐤀𐤋 𐤄𐤉𐤌 ὁ θεὸς
𐤀𐤋 𐤔𐤃𐤄‬‬ ὁ Ζεύς

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The very first word of Genesis is RAS (ראש)

𐤓𐤀‬𐤔 Chief or head (of man, city, nation, place, family, priest)
- Rex "an arbitrary ruler, absolute monarch, king"
- Αρχός 'Leader, chief, commander ρ-χ

𐤓𐤀‬𐤔 'Sum' (of a number)
- ἀριθμός ( Arithmetica ), ἀρχὴν

*reg- is a PIE root
Again ... you cannot say that with historical certainty, since the first available version of Genesis was in Greek. The Hebrew version was a translation from Greek. Someone can say [as someone says] that the oral tradition confirms it ... but an oral tradition cannot be historically documented to predate the Greek version.

So ... which is the Hebrew Tanakh which begins with "ראש"? Does it predate the Greek version of the Old Testament of the 70 [in reality 72] wise men?
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That 70 & 72 as bugged me for quite some time, many of the instances of '70' in the Bible, the translators are not sure if it suppose to be 72.

Eight [Octo] - 𐤀‬𐤑𐤁‬𐤏‬ "Fingers" (אצבע)

70
Septu a Ginta (Latin)
Ebdom h Konta' ( Greek) * ἑβδομήκοντα
Sbo tim (shebt Tayim) ( Phoenician) * 𐤔‬𐤁‬𐤏𐤕𐤉𐤌

𐤏 is Γο (t, d ,k, s) *guttural letter

Septuaginta & Ebdomhkonta are too big for the Phoenician script, everything as to short, due to it's used practical use it is 𐤔‬𐤁‬𐤏𐤕𐤉𐤌 , further shortened too 𐤔‬𐤁‬𐤕𐤉𐤌 .

Large-words are impracticable, Egyptian wrote Hieroglyphs without vowels and certain consonants, if they did, they would need far more stone , when Latin is written on Stone, words are shortened or 'de-voweled'.

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Greek & Hebrew versions of Gen 1:1 are nearly identical.

𐤁 - ἐν
𐤓‬𐤀‬𐤔𐤉𐤕‬ - ἀρχῇ
𐤁𐤓‬𐤀 - ἐποίησεν - φέρω , fero
𐤀𐤋‬ - ὁ , ille
𐤄‬𐤉𐤌‬ - θεὸς - Ζεύς, διόν , Diom ' ille dium ( Elohim)
𐤀𐤕- τὸν , et
𐤄𐤔‬𐤌‬𐤉𐤌 - οὐρανὸν - σημεῖον, σήμερον,
𐤅 - καὶ
𐤀𐤕 - τὴν , et
𐤄𐤀‬𐤓𐤑 - γῆν , ἔραζε , ἔρα , Terra, Earth
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I repeat the question:

can you mention a Hebrew Tanakh, written in Hebrew which predates the Greek version written by the supposed 70 wise men [probably 72 wise men]?

If not ... how can you say which was the first word of the original Hebrew Bible?
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Most of out literature came to us from the Medieval period, this includes our works of Homer, what is the oldest copy of the Lliad?

The dates of the Books are irrelevant, but since we have Greek & Hebrew copies, then every single word, side by side can be compared.

𐤋‬𐤉‬𐤔 - Lion

Homer - Lliad 17.106 λὶς ἠϋγένειος ( Bearded Lion)
Proverbs 30:30 ליש גבור בבהמה ( Strong Lion)
Hesiod - Shield of Heracles 154 μέγας λῖς ( Great Lion)

In both these languages, LIS is a great-lion.
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There is a Biblical book called 'Ecclesiastes ', the reason this is so-named is because in the first verse and throughout this book, קֹּוהֶלֶת or 𐤒‬𐤅𐤄‬𐤋𐤕 meaning ' Assembly' appears, but this is Greek, ἐκκλησία ' assembly duly summoned' or ἐκ (ek) + καλέω (kaléō) and yet is used in Deuteronomy 33:4 and Genesis 28:3 and in Latin, ecclesia.

Ecclesia is also the principal assembly of the democracy of ancient Athens.

* used 173 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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