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Old April 19th, 2018, 03:07 AM   #21

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Originally Posted by AlpinLuke View Post
I repeat the question:

can you mention a Hebrew Tanakh, written in Hebrew which predates the Greek version written by the supposed 70 wise men [probably 72 wise men]?

If not ... how can you say which was the first word of the original Hebrew Bible?
Wasting your time Luke. I think Smeagol and Deagol are monopolising this one.
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Most of out literature came to us from the Medieval period, this includes our works of Homer, what is the oldest copy of the Lliad?

The dates of the Books are irrelevant, but since we have Greek & Hebrew copies, then every single word, side by side can be compared.

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Homer - Lliad 17.106 λὶς ἠϋγένειος ( Bearded Lion)
Proverbs 30:30 ליש גבור בבהמה ( Strong Lion)
Hesiod - Shield of Heracles 154 μέγας λῖς ( Great Lion)

In both these languages, LIS is a great-lion.
In Hebrew Bible, Proverbs 30:30 doesn't show LIS but "lish" ...

It's better to start from the index:

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In Hebrew Bible, Proverbs 30:30 doesn't show LIS but "lish" ...

It's better to start from the index:
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The word in Proverbs 30:30 is a three letter words, Lamed + Yod + Sin. (h3918) , also
used in Job 4:11 , they many words for Lions, LIS is rather particular in Homer, Hesiod and Hebrew Bible, referring to a mature, great or an old lion.

The 'pride' of a Lion, GAUN, from εὐγένειος 'well-maned and this is how the Lebanese river was so-named, River Litani ( the pride of Lebanon) .

The Arabic word ليث [Lyth] , identical too λῖτα [ Lita], λῖθ [ Lith] λιτὶ [Liti] λίς [Lis], λῖν [Lin] that are various forms used in ancient Greek writing.


Songs 4:8, we have the Leopard here, the Greek word is παρδάλεων ' Pardaleon' but can also
be written πάρδαλις ' Pardalis', in Latin it is reversed, 'Leopard' , this word very simple in meaning
'spotted-lion', the Phoenician word for 'spotted' is 𐤁𐤓𐤃 [BRD] 𐤁𐤓𐤃 𐤋𐤉𐤔 [PRDLIS] 𐤋𐤉𐤔 𐤁𐤓𐤃 [LISPRD].

λέων πάρδος > λνπρδ > Νπβδ > Νεβρωδ > Νεμρωδ > 𐤍‬𐤌𐤓𐤃‬ or 𐤍‬𐤌𐤓 'Namar'

The spots of a Leopard, resemble roses and thus they are called Rosettes, deriving from βρόδον[𐤁𐤓𐤃] or ρόδον and poetically ἁβρά βρόδον or 𐤇𐤁‬𐤓 𐤁‬𐤓𐤕𐤉𐤍 (Jeremiah 13:23) .

Rosa, Rosette [𐤁𐤓𐤃] , another one.

An interesting long word is καμηλοπάρδαλις , a combination of Leopard & Camel, this is the Greek word a Giraffe, Phoenician language neatly condense this word into three letters, 𐤆‬‬𐤌𐤓 ' Zamar' .

A Camel, is a big sheep, or a μέΓᾶ Μῆλον > 𐤂𐤌𐤋‬

Μέγα (Big) Μῆλον (Sheep) λέων (Lion) παρδιαῖος (Spotted)

Μέγαμῆλονλέωνπαρδιαῖος - Giraffe

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Arabic is a dialect of Phoenician and Arabian products came to the Mediterraneans via the Phoenicians, everywhere Phoenicians traded, they deposited a trading-post and they eventually becomes there own people.

قَرْن qarn " Horn" - cornu , κερᾶν ' 𐤒𐤓‬𐤋
سَنَّ Sinn "teeth" - den, ὀδόν 𐤔𐤍‬
لسان‎ Lisan "tongue" - glossan γλῶσσαν 𐤋‬𐤔𐤍
قدم‎ Qadam "foot" - Pode πόδε
قلب Qalpon "heart" - Kolpon κόλπον 𐤋𐤁
موسيقى Musiqaa "Music" - μουσικός - 𐤌‬𐤔𐤇 ( or 𐤔𐤇 'muse' )
متر Mitre "Meter ' Mensura μετρέω - 𐤌‬𐤔𐤅‬𐤓𐤄
الكعبة Kabaa "cube" Cubus κύβος - 𐤕𐤁‬𐤄
روح Rwh "gush' Rhoeas ῥέω - 𐤓‬𐤅𐤇
‬ ثلج Thalaj ' snow' Galaza χάλαζα - 𐤔𐤋‬𐤂 , 𐤕𐤋‬𐤂
مكة Mecca ' bacchus Βάκχος - 𐤁 𐤊𐤀‬
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I am resolving place names, many have unknown origin, however the stem appears to
be ἄστυ [ Astu] "town".

- Ashdod
- Gaza
- Sidon
- Utica
- Ostia Antica
- Asti
- Ashkelon
- Athens
- Ateste
- Oscan
- Estrucan
- Tuscany
- Italia
- Atlantis
- Palestine
- Faliscan

𐌐𐌋𐌝𐌚𐌓𐌉𐌊𐌔 (Plebs) roots Populus, venturing around the Mediterranean depositing colonies became the πάμπολις ( Pampolis) or a πόλις

πάμπολις - prevailing in all cities, universal
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- Byblos
- Babylon *Phoenicians became the Populus of Babylon

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^ This all sounds completely at random and unscientific. Decades of meticulous research have established the etymological relationships of many words and I am afraid that the results do not support your interpretations at all.
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What is random?

The Arabic word موسيقى [Musiqaa ] means Music and is identical with the Latin word Musica, then did the Arabic language lack a word meaning 'Music' thus had to borrow from Greek, wrong, the word was already in the core Phoenician vocabulary.

The Phoenician word for Muse is 𐤔𐤅𐤇 'SYK'

With the preposition 𐤌‬ it becomes 𐤌‬𐤔𐤅𐤇 'MSYK ' (موسيقى )

𐤔𐤅𐤇 'SYK' is ΨΥΧ- ' Psyche

Job 7:11 - I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.
πικρίαν ψυχῆς μου συνεχόμενος
אשיחה במר נפשי

- 𐤀 ( I will) 𐤔𐤅𐤇𐤄 (Complain)

𐤔𐤅𐤇𐤄 translates ψυχῆς


𐤔𐤅𐤇 > ΨΥΧ

𐤔𐤅𐤇 is also written 𐤑‬𐤅𐤇 ' cry/sing aloud, complain' ( Isaiah 42:11)

𐤔𐤅𐤇𐤅𐤌 is used in Job 30:7 "Bush" , however the Septuagint reads εὐήχων in it's place . εὐήχος - euphonious, producing a pleasant sound

ἦχος (Echos) "Sound"
-𐤄𐤂𐤄 ( hagah) "growl, utter and Muse"
-ἅγιος ( Agios)

Psalms 49:3 - Mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation(𐤄𐤂𐤄 )
- 𐤇‬𐤊𐤌‬‬ (Chakam) "Wisdom"
- σοφίαν ( Sophia )
- 𐤔𐤊𐤋 " wise, prudent'

φ interchanges with 𐤊 , Soph- is Sokh- (𐤔𐤅𐤇)

* 𐤔𐤅𐤇𐤅𐤌 (SYKIM) in Job 30:7 is συκαμίνους ( Sykaminous) or σῦκον (Sycon) , this is the particular
plant they are referring too, named for it's sweet fruit.

𐤔𐤅𐤇 > ΣΥΚ
. Sucus - sweet juice'
. Ficus - Fig'
. Bacchus - his cult specifically associated with the Fig tree

Sing, Song -g > -ng ,

𐤔𐤅𐤓‬ 'SYR "to sing"
. Σειρήν (Sirens)

𐤔𐤅𐤇 is everywhere.

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I can add something even more curious:

were Anglo-Saxons descendants of Ancient Egyptians? [The inhabitants of KmT?]

How do they say "bee" in English? "Bee".

How did they called that insect in KmT?

"bjt" with the initial syllable which sounds exactly like the english word "bee".
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'GAUL' written in Greek is Γαυλός (Gaulos), which also means a 'round-built Phoenician merchant vessel' and in Phoenician, 𐤇𐤁𐤋.

GAUL gets it's name from 𐤇𐤁𐤋

𐤇𐤁𐤋 ( Khabal)
- sailor, seaman
- חֹבֵל

Ezekiel 27:8 - O Tyrus, that were in thee, were thy pilots[𐤇𐤁𐤋].

In the Septuagint, 𐤇𐤁𐤋 is a κυβερνάω ' steer, drive, steersman, pilot' and
κυβερνάω stems from words meaning 'twist or turntable wooden vessel'.

𐤇𐤁𐤋 - ΚΒΡ "κυβερ +ναῦς "ship"
𐤇𐤁𐤋 - ΓϜΛ "Γαυλός"

The Phoenician word for Ship, is 𐤀𐤍𐤅 'ANY ' ‬‬, in Gk, it is 'ΝΑΥ .

ΝΑΥ > ΝΑϜ , In Latin this is NAVIS 'Navy' .

𐤍𐤇 is 'Noah' , the name of the Ark is 𐤕𐤁𐤄‬ tebah , however the Septuagint reads κιβωτὸν from κύβος "Box/tub" , similar too κυβερνάω, for comparison sake, the Ark of Deucalion was a λάρναξ(Larnax) " Box " and Perseus was placed in a κυψέλη ( Kupsele) "Box" .

𐤕𐤁𐤄‬ - ΚΒΕ ' Cube/Tub' * wine-vat

Arc, from Latin Arcvs "Bow, Arch, Bend" , this is the name of the Argo , or Argonaut, built by Argus, the matching Phoenician word is 𐤃𐤁𐤊 Darek

𐤃𐤁𐤊 - bend, bow, tread 'to run a course'
- τρέχω (Trex) "to run a course, to move quickly

In the Bible, '𐤃𐤁𐤊 ' appears in Judges 9:27 and the corresponding Septuagint word is Etrugesan ... sound familiar ... Estrucan.

ἐτρύγησαν - Etrughsan " τρυγάω ( Trugaw)

Judges 9:27 - Trode(𐤃𐤁𐤊 ) the grapes
Job 9:8 - treadeth(𐤃𐤁𐤊 ) upon the waves of the sea
Job 24:11 - tread(𐤃𐤁𐤊 ) their winepresses
Psalms 37:14 - bent(𐤃𐤁𐤊 ) their bow

Ark of Noah - Deucalion was a Wine-vat, a tub.

𐤃𐤁𐤊 * Tyrrhēnī, Etruscī , Taruisa, Raśna, Tuscany

Estrucan means ' those who stomp on grapes'

Treading the high seas = treading on grapes, they are referring too Grape-stomping, the traditional Roman method for wine maceration, then this is the reason why Deucalion & Noah are associated with Wine.

𐤅‬𐤅‬𐤍‬ 'Yayin ( Wine)
ΟΥΝ- οἶνος

Wine related words are pretty much identical between Latin, Phoenician and Greek, however
one Phoenician word sticks out. 𐤕𐤉𐤓𐤅‬𐤔 - Estrucan wine.

𐤎𐤁‬‬𐤀‬ 'Caba - drunkard
𐤂𐤕 ' Gat - Vat
𐤏𐤍𐤁‬ 'Enab - Grape-wine * οἰνόπη (Oinoph)
𐤉‬𐤒𐤓 Yaqor - 'precious-fat * ἰχώρ(Ichor) * Blood of god or christ
𐤔𐤌‬𐤓‬, 𐤇𐤌‬𐤓‬ Chemer/Shemer - Wine * ἡμερίς (Hmeris) "the cultivated vine
𐤉𐤒𐤁 - 'Yaqab - wine press
𐤀‬𐤔𐤊𐤅𐤋 'Askul - cluster of grapes * σταφυλ (Staful) ‬*𐤊>φ

Treading the Sea = Treading on grapes, thereby equating Sea with grape-juice.

𐤅‬𐤅‬𐤍 /yayin * Wine
𐤅𐤌 /yam * Sea
𐤃𐤌 /dam * blood
𐤃𐤌𐤏 /dema *tears of the grape or mulberry
𐤌𐤅𐤌 /mim * water
αἷμα / Aima * blood, or grape-juice
𐤀𐤃𐤌 / Adam * ruddy-man
δέμας /Demas * bodily frame, inflorescence of the grape vine
δημός /Dhmos * bodily fat
ποταμός/Potamos * stream

The 'Flesh' of a Grape is 𐤁‬𐤎𐤓 (Baser) and βότρυς (Botrus) is a 'Bunch of grapes' in Greek and Botrys in Latin, the 'Flesh' of a person however is 𐤁‬‬𐤔𐤓(Basar) , this is the reason for the strange use of the word 'Flesh' in the New Testament. Jesus is Bacchus.

𐤁‬‬𐤔𐤋 / Basal * ripe/boiled
- Gen 40:10 "Ripe grapes" - LXX βότρυες σταφυλῆς .. 𐤀‬𐤔𐤊𐤅𐤋 𐤁‬‬𐤔𐤋 .
- 𐤁‬‬𐤔𐤋 is βότρυς .

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Γαυλός as a second-definition . Milk-pail '

* Gaul is often connected with γάλα /Gala ' Milk'.

𐤇𐤋𐤁 'chalab - milk, sour milk, cheese
𐤏𐤅𐤋 ' Gul - suckling milk
γάλακτος Galaktos - Sweet milk
ἀμέλγω Amelge - to milk a cow
ἄμελξις Amelcis - milkin
𐤌𐤋𐤕‬𐤏𐤅𐤕‬‬ Maltaa - Milk teeth
𐤌𐤋𐤒𐤅𐤇‬ Malkuk - Jaw
μέλιτος Melitos - honey

The word Tyre [τύρος] coincidentally means Cheese, they can't exactly ferry milk across the Mediterranean, it would go off and turn into cheese. although doesn't associate with the Lebanese Tyre, more so with Europe, specially Albania.

Europe, the Goddess that gave it's name , her symbol was a dairy-cow, however according too the Mythology, she was born in Phoenicia , then the myth suggests Dairying came from Lebanon, however the names Phoenician and Venetian are phonetically identical. Here abode was Crete ( Cretheus, Reti), siblings are Cadmus (Camunic), Illyrius (Illyricum) Phoenix (Veneti), Cilix (Salassi, Celitica). The capital of Albania is 'Tirana and etymologists connect the name with τύρος "Cheese" , then the name is identical with Tyre and Albania & Lebanon are synonyms. Was the Albanian Tyre the original?.

𐤇𐤋𐤁 chalab also means Fat/Oil (for cooking)
- ἀλείφω Alieph Lard, cooking oil
- ἔλαιον Elaion - any oily substance
- Olive, from Estrucan 𐌄𐌋𐌄𐌉𐌅𐌀 (eleiva) - 𐌄𐌋𐌅 > 𐤇𐤋𐤁
- ἄλφιτον Alfiton wheat-meal or barley-goat, Figuratively, this word means ' one's daily bread and cheese ' this word-phrase occurs in Psalms 147:14 " finest of the wheat" 𐤇𐤋𐤁 ‬‬𐤇𐤈𐤄‬ cheleb-chittah ἄλφ-ιτα ( elb '+ kweit).

The 'unknown-etymology' of the Hebrew word for Wheat is solved

* Of uncertain derivation ... typical theologians

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