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Old June 10th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #1

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Origins of Arabs


IamJoseph posed a question regarding the origins of the people who would become the Arabs, pre 500bce. I found some things, but I know there will be people more knowledgable on this than myself.

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There are some earlier records, Akkadian and Assyrian sources that mention the "Aribi", a tribe of the desert that may be connected with the Ishmaelites, but there is not any certainty that such term has even any relationship with the word Arab. Indeed, the term "Arabia" is Greek, as well as Egypt, Syria, Libya, etc. and its probable etymology may be of Semitic origin: 1) 'arabah = steppe, wilderness; 2) 'ereb = mixture of peoples.
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The word Arab is of uncertain meaning; when and by whom this people (or these peoples) began to be called Arabs is unknown. The earliest sources where the term Arab appeared the first time are the Hebrew Scriptures of the post-exilic period, namely, during the rebuilding of the Temple under the Persian Empire (Nehemyah 2:19 - 5th century b.c.e.), and is applied in a vague manner probably to some Nabatean tribes. In the same period, also the Greek historian Herodotus mentions the Arabs, apparently in reference to the Yemenite tribes.


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ˇSouthern Arabian peoples :
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Seven Ku****e peoples: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Ra'mah, Sabtekha, Sheba and Dedan.
Twelve Semitic tribes (Yoqtanites): Almodad, Shelef, Hatzarmawt, Yerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diqlah, Obal, Abima'el, Shaba, Hawilah and Yobab.
ˇNorthern Arabian peoples:
Early Ku****e population: Kűsh, Mušuri, Hawilah, Makkan.
Eight Semitic tribes (Midyanites/Lihyanites): Zimran, Yoqshan, Medan, Midyan, Yishbaq, Shuwah, Sheba and Dedan.
Twelve Ishmaelite tribes: Nebayot, Qedar, Adbe'el, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadar, Teyma, Yetur, Nafish and Qedmah.
Map showing the distribution of the Northern and Southern Arabian peoples :
notice that Central Arabia was primarily a Ku****e territory, in which both Northern and Southern Arabians converged in a later period
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http://www.imninalu.net/myths-Arabs.htm
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The word Arab is of uncertain meaning; when and by whom this people (or these peoples) began to be called Arabs is unknown. The earliest sources where the term Arab appeared the first time are the Hebrew Scriptures of the post-exilic period, namely, during the rebuilding of the Temple under the Persian Empire (Nehemyah 2:19 - 5th century b.c.e.), and is applied in a vague manner probably to some Nabatean tribes. In the same period, also the Greek historian Herodotus mentions the Arabs, apparently in reference to the Yemenite tribes.
Wikipedia gives an earlier date for first written references to Arabs.

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The first written attestation of the ethnonym "Arab" occurs in an Assyrian inscription of 853 BCE, where Shalmaneser III lists a King Gindibu of mâtu arbâi (Arab land) as among the people he defeated at the Battle of Karkar. Some of the names given in these texts are Aramaic, while others are the first attestations of Proto-Arabic dialects. In fact several different ethnonyms are found in Assyrian texts that are conventionally translated "Arab": Arabi, Arubu, Aribi and Urbi.
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Proto-Arabic, or Ancient North Arabian, texts give a clearer picture of the Arabs' emergence. The earliest are written in variants of epigraphic south Arabian musnad script, including the 8th century BCE Hasaean inscriptions of eastern Saudi Arabia, the 6th century BCE Lihyanite texts of southeastern Saudi Arabia and the Thamudic texts found throughout Arabia and the Sinai (not in reality connected with Thamud).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_people
On all empire forums some members claimed arabs originated in Yemen.
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The name presumably has some (unknown) start date. Arabs do not have a start date.
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The name presumably has some (unknown) start date. Arabs do not have a start date.
I don't agree with you corrocamino. The most important factor in the formation of an ethnicity is language/dialect that people speak. Arabic must have started sometime - somewhere.
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The Greeks know the Arabs maybe they could have given their name or maybe the Persians because they are neighbors. And Alexander the Great wants to conquer Arabia, and so it may be written, but along with the books burned in the Library of Alexandria.

The only thing is what is the difference of Arabians to Persians.
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The only thing is what is the difference of Arabians to Persians.
Arabs speak Arabic and Persians speak Farsi. Arabic belongs to the Afroasiatic language family while Farsi belongs to the
Indo_European_languages Indo_European_languages
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Arabs speak Arabic and Persians speak Farsi. Arabic belongs to the Afroasiatic language family while Farsi belongs to the Indoeuropean language family.
Then it could be the Arabs descend from Ancient Egyptians? or from the Mediterranean Civs?
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Then it could be the Arabs descend from Ancient Egyptians? or from the Mediterranean Civs?
As with other language families experts are divided on the issue.

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The Semitic family is a member of the larger Afroasiatic family, all of whose other five or more branches are based in Africa. Largely for this reason, the ancestors of Proto-Semitic speakers are believed by many to have first arrived in the Middle East from Africa, possibly as part of the operation of the Saharan pump, around the late Neolithic. Diakonoff sees Semitic originating between the Nile Delta and Canaan as the northernmost branch of Afroasiatic. Blench even wonders whether the highly divergent Gurage indicate an origin in Ethiopia (with the rest of Ethiopic Semitic a later back migration). However, an opposing theory is that Afroasiatic originated in the Middle East, and that Semitic is the only branch to have stayed put; this view is supported by apparent Sumerian and Caucasian loanwords in the African branches of Afroasiatic. A recent bayesian analysis of alternative Semitic histories supports the latter possibility and identifies an origin of Semitic languages in the Levant around 5,750 BC with a single introduction from southern Arabia into Africa around 2,800 BC.

In one interpretation, Proto-Semitic itself is assumed to have reached the Arabian Peninsula by approximately the 4th millennium BC, from which Semitic daughter languages continued to spread outwards. When written records began in the mid 3rd millennium BC, the Semitic-speaking Akkadians and Amorites were entering Mesopotamia from the deserts to the west, and were probably already present in places such as Ebla in Syria.

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The only thing is what is the difference of Arabians to Persians.
Glad you asked it here and not a persian dude(or else your face might've been broken).
The difference between Persians and Arabs is like asking what is the difference between Italians and the British.
They are different groups of people( Persians come from Indo-European stock, Arabians come from Afro-Asiatic and Semetic stock), with different languages, initial culture, etc.
The biggest difference is that Perisa is an ancient civilization, Arabia is not.

One thing that gets often overlooked in history is that most cultural aspects associated with Islam is of persian origin, not Arab.
Things like Niqab(not the Hijab or Burkha), onion-domed Islamic architecture, mozaic interior decorations, etc. are actually Persian cultural symbols.
This is due to the fact that the first civilization that the Arabs conquered was Persia and as a result, persian culture got transferred to Islamic one.
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I am always struck by the superficial similarity of Arabic script and ancient Egyptian demotic script ("cursive Egyptian"), whatever it might or might not imply.
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