What was the most important element to Western Civilization? - Page 3 - Historum

**Afrasiyab** · June 5th, 2008, 03:21 PM

uhm, do you expect me to prove sth that is decided by Westerns wrong?

It is a Tatar invention. The Chinese just developed it. Since they had chronicles and had already an alphabet (For Lord's sake), they can prove it easily. You dont expect a bunch of nomadic barbarians to jot down all goods and bads of crossbow do you?

It's called TATARYAYI (TATARBOW) in Turkish as well. And the europeans learnt it from proto-Bolkars ~

**Afrasiyab** · June 5th, 2008, 03:33 PM

And i am philologist, just in case you are curious.

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Aleks · June 5th, 2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrasiyab

uhm, do you expect me to prove sth that is decided by Westerns wrong?

It is a Tatar invention. The Chinese just developed it. Since they had chronicles and had already an alphabet (For Lord's sake), they can prove it easily. You dont expect a bunch of nomadic barbarians to jot down all goods and bads of crossbow do you?

It's called TATARYAYI (TATARBOW) in Turkish as well. And the europeans learnt it from proto-Bolkars ~

Its not clear were and when it was made, please read the sentence before! ((I meant on the picture))

Sorry but I can't belive this!

**Afrasiyab** · June 6th, 2008, 07:27 AM

You can not believe this. Behold!

**Afrasiyab** · June 6th, 2008, 10:37 AM

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Translation:

"Starting from X century crossbows became known in Southern Rus (according to chronicle of Henry of Latvia, in Polock they were still unknown in the beginning of XIII), most likely due to Bulgars. Moreover, their spread was significant enough - the amount of found arrowheads and bolts is 1/20.

This is quoted from Russian Wikipedia.

Aleks · June 7th, 2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Afrasiyab

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Translation:

"Starting from X century crossbows became known in Southern Rus (according to chronicle of Henry of Latvia, in Polock they were still unknown in the beginning of XIII), most likely due to Bulgars. Moreover, their spread was significant enough - the amount of found arrowheads and bolts is 1/20.

This is quoted from Russian Wikipedia.

I hate when you are using russian wikipedia :P

haidang309 · June 15th, 2008, 05:46 AM

I choose Roman Law because that made a big difference between the west an the east.
The west had Greek philosophy, the east also had its own philosophy (Confucius).
Christian was western religion while eastern had its Buddhism, Islam and Hindu.
Eastern cultures also had theirs own science and alphabet (chinese maths, indian maths or arabian alphabet)
So what makes the difference is law and democary, or, to say, the structure of the government. Eastern government is centered around a king with his supreme command throughout his empire, unlike western countries in the feudal age. They did have laws, but a bit later than the Romans.

Aleks · June 15th, 2008, 02:09 PM

Maybe this doesnt answer anything but it could..

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Nick · June 15th, 2008, 02:28 PM

Why isn't Saxon common-law on the list? They introduced trial by jury and the idea a suspect was innocent until proven guilty. In contrast to the Roman inquisitorial system where torture was legitimate and officials held all the power, acting as both judge and prosecutor to decide a person's guilt.

**Toltec** · June 16th, 2008, 03:43 PM

There ar etwo systems. Romans law (Europe) and Sacon common law (English speaking countries). Being English I considered Roman law primitive compared to Saxon Common Law. So don't see it as na advancement as listend above,