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Old November 28th, 2012, 01:15 PM   #451

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I'm crying.......
and i'm happy.
and he is laughing...

We talked about this again...From a recent discovery, we know that Thracians used the term Ζραικῆ for the term "Thracian". That means that they used a Z and not a Θ that Greeks did. In other words your Turak or whatever theory is obsolete. Moreover the Z-version of the word comply with the characteristics a Satem Indo-European language has.
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and he is laughing...

We talked about this again...From a recent discovery, we know that Thracians used the term Ζραικῆ for the term "Thracian". That means that they used a Z and not a Θ that Greeks did. In other words your Turak or whatever theory is obsolete. Moreover the Z-version of the word comply with the characteristics a Satem Indo-European language has.
You don't understand, how you pleased me))). When FAVOURABLY for you... you make forgery in the word Scuthae and prefer to transliterate diphthong "th" as the "T" gloss.But all linguistic "beau monde" knows that in the middle of a word this diphthong always should be transliterated by "Z" gloss. And here at the beginning of a word diphthong "th" always should be transliterated as a deaf gloss of "D" or as "T" gloss! But you again brought, and you again made FORGERY.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #453

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''modern bulgarians (incl. the FYRO- & slavo-acedonians, & pomaks) are thracians & thraco-macedonians (paeonians) who were not hellenized or romanized + s(к)lavеns + bulgars (also known as bolgari, bogari or bugari) (the latter two, the s(k)lavens and bulgars being modified earlier thracians, some of whom might have been influenced by iranians). per genetic reaserch 60% of bulgarian genes are thracian/ thraco-macedonian.''

THRACIAN ORIGIN OF FYRO- & SLAVO-MACEDONIANS AND BULGARIANS - CNN iReport

If someone finds the article offensive just remember that I was not the author. For those really interested in Thracian history you should probably try to patiently read it. Its a different view on the subject.

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That is the most ridiculus bullshit I have ever read. Considering that Phrygian is my main field of study, I can assure you the translations given are totally imaginary. First of all, the Phrygian inscriptions have been changed intentionally and do not correspond the real ones. Second, Phrygian is not Thracian, but a Centum language related to Armenian and Greek.

Just an example of the first inscription is found in original form here.

The inscription reads
ΑΤΕΣ : ΑΡΚΙΑΕFΑΙΣ : ΑΚΕΝΑΝΟΓΑFΟΣ : ΜΙΔΑΙ : ΛΑFΑΓΤΑΕΙ : FΑΝΑΚΤΕΙ : ΕΔΑΕΣ
and transliterated as
ates : arkiaewais : akenanogawos : midai : lawagtaei : wanaktei : edaes
It is translated as
Ates son of Arkias [nobleman title], set up [this] for Midas, King and ruler [of the people].
Ates is a typical Anatolian name
the -ewais suffix is a typical Phrygian patronymic
akenanogawos is a title, suggested to be "priest of the cultic fire" which I dissagree with since the compound agawos (nobble) is part of the word.
edaes is identified by billingual inscriptions as "placed, setup, errected".
Midai is dative form of Midas
lawagtaei is isogloss of Greek lawagetas (lawos = people, agetas = leader)
wanaktei is again an isogloss of Greek wanaks (Overlord, King of kings)


The second inscription is found again here.

it is originally written as
ΒΑΒΑ : ΜΕΜΕFΑΙΣ : ΠΡΟΙΤΑFΟΣ : ΚΦΙJΑΝΑFΕJΟΣ : ΣΙΚΕΝΕΜΑΝ : ΕΔΑΕΣ
transliterated as
baba : memevais : proitavos : ktiyanaveyos : si keneman : edaes
The sentence means
Baba the son of Meme governor of Tyana has setup this inscription/tomb

You should start to seriously question what you choose to believe Sonrisa.

Nuff said...

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You don't understand, how you pleased me))). When FAVOURABLY for you... you make forgery in the word Scuthae and prefer to transliterate diphthong "th" as the "T" gloss.But all linguistic "beau monde" knows that in the middle of a word this diphthong always should be transliterated by "Z" gloss. And here at the beginning of a word diphthong "th" always should be transliterated as a deaf gloss of "D" or as "T" gloss! But you again brought, and you again made FORGERY.
Yeah right... Ad hominems on display. You did not know there was such an inscription in existence and you are talking nonsence, to save the day. Everyone can open the link to the inscription and see what is actually written. It is written Zraikes, unless you want other members here to make the decision.
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and just to make it as clear as possible.


Thracians used this word (Ζραικῆς) when denoting "Thracian" as the epithet for a strategy.

Click and see it yourself people. It is time to get rid of the nonsence once and for all.
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Yeah right... Ad hominems on display. You did not know there was such an inscription in existence and you are talking nonsence, to save the day. Everyone can open the link to the inscription and see what is actually written. It is written Zraikes, unless you want other members here to make the decision.
)))Possibly, you again give that unique record in the history which again INCORRECTLY made ONE ancient Greek. I am surprised, how distorted words of other languages in the ancient time and exactly Greeks.
It is sure, the Bulgarian linguists will oppose to your single copy of this one word ... thousand options of writing of a name of these people -Trakian. And then everything becomes clear to all. But all is clear to me already now.

P/S:And in general that telling, I think that your word - an ordinary forgery.

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)))Possibly, you again give that unique record in the history which again INCORRECTLY made ONE ancient Greek. I am surprised, how distorted words of other languages in the ancient time and exactly Greeks.
It is sure, the Bulgarian linguists will oppose to your single copy of this one word ... thousand options of writing of a name of these people -Trakian. And then everything becomes clear to all. But all is clear to me already now.

P/S:And in general that telling, I think that your word - an ordinary forgery.
So, Ohios Cornell University, is publishing forgeries?

Packard Humanities Institute - Greek Epigraphy

I think you have lost your common sense really and by writting this nonsence you're just riddiculing yourself even more.

I dunno what all Bulgarian linguists say about this, but why don't you ask Cavaros and see what he says? I can tell you what Sorin Olteanu says, who is a Romanian Thracologist.

The Thracian Palatal

As you can see, when I say something, I can back it up with modern academia and not whatever suits my personal world.

My sources are not blogs, nor romantic works from the 18th and 19th century.

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I expressed the opinion. It is invariable. In this case I am not an expert of Thracian epigrafic, and for me your links to someone another too most that bad sumerologs did: They always declared that Sumerian have no lineal heirs. I will be simply the idiot if I will continue dispute with you as you start to cross line of ethics in discussion.
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I expressed the opinion. It is invariable. In this case I am not an expert of Thracian epigrafic, and for me your links to someone another too most that bad sumerologs did: They always declared that Sumerian have no lineal heirs. I will be simply the idiot if I will continue dispute with you as you start to cross line of ethics in discussion.
First of everyone has the right to an opinion, provided it can be properly be backup up.

Second, if you don't know much about something, don't make bold statements. At least, not before double checking what you're about to dispute. I didn't make up things from my mind as you saw. I provided a link from a respected university and a famous Thracologist.

Third, how did I cross the line of ethics? What kind of ad hominem is that? The first thing you did was to accuse me for forgery, when the content I provided (Cornell Univ. & Sorin Olteanus page) was not mine.
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In the first:
You're not my teacher whom I would choose. You impose to the opponent the speculative choice in preference of sources.
In the second:
You should disprove thousands the sources connected with operating reading of the name of Thracians before imposing the view of word Thracian etymology.
In the third and more exhaustively:
You break scientific ethics, ignoring the first two points.

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