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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #611

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Regarding the Greeks, Turks and Bulgarians in trace (especially the Eastern part) - the last century has messed them up quite a bit after all the immigrations, exchanges, and resettlements. So tracing origin would be quite difficult, if possible.
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Just one thing on all these you wrote as an answer... Is Khan a Slavic or a Altaic word?

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nuff said about that part...
Actually, Kanas(yubigi) and Knyaz (Khan has never been attested) may be the same word with different pronounciation, although unclear whether it was borrowed from the Slavs or the other way around.
But this is going off topic so better we stop here.

I was about to write about the so called "treasure hunters" which, unlike all kinds of weird theories, do actual harm to the science.
Not sure if I've written before about this, but I have been on site of recent grave-digging some years ago and the total disrespect I saw back then was disgusting.. Heaps of broken bones, smashed skulls, destroyed chambers.. and all the damage done in searching for every single gold coin.
And while most of the looters are uneducated or unemployed idiots, there are also people with academic background who make a living by buying artifacts from the former persons or even organizing looting groups.
Even if Bulgaria enforces really harsh measures against the artifact trade, nothing stops the criminals from smuggling and selling items abroad.
Have there been any successful politics in the Mediterranean against artifact looters?
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wow, there is still stuff left to be looted?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #613

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wow, there is still stuff left to be looted?
Of course! Just check the daily dose of Archeology thread. Plenty of discoveries this year in Bulgaria despite the lack of resources.
And another story, which a cousin of mine told me some time ago. When he was in kindergarden (or first, second grade in school) he was on a short trip with his class to a popular Thracian sanctuary near our home town. The site has been known for quite many years, studied thoroughly by scientists and visited by many citizens, yet one of the kids back that day has managed to find about 20 coins, during their 15 min. visit..
And let us not forget the coastline! The looters have not yet begun underwater scavenging (or at least I hope so)!
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Regarding the Greeks, Turks and Bulgarians in trace (especially the Eastern part) - the last century has messed them up quite a bit after all the immigrations, exchanges, and resettlements. So tracing origin would be quite difficult, if possible.




I was about to write about the so called "treasure hunters" which, unlike all kinds of weird theories, do actual harm to the science.
Not sure if I've written before about this, but I have been on site of recent grave-digging some years ago and the total disrespect I saw back then was disgusting.. Heaps of broken bones, smashed skulls, destroyed chambers.. and all the damage done in searching for every single gold coin.
And while most of the looters are uneducated or unemployed idiots, there are also people with academic background who make a living by buying artifacts from the former persons or even organizing looting groups.
Even if Bulgaria enforces really harsh measures against the artifact trade, nothing stops the criminals from smuggling and selling items abroad.
Have there been any successful politics in the Mediterranean against artifact looters?
This shows our neglect for the past and stil there is lot of more to be explore. During YU, in the ancient cities in R. of Macedonia, did it digging with TNT. Horror. And yes, there are actions against illegal diggers, but it is insufficient.Here
51 | - kirilica.com.mk
51 persons were arrested in action "Falanga"

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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #615

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TNT? OMG! That is Horror indeed.
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When you show me that Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard or any other major university says so, I will believe it. Until then, I refuse to rely on blogs and nationalistic material, belonging to another universe of reality.

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Just one thing on all these you wrote as an answer... Is Khan a Slavic or a Altaic word?

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nuff said about that part...
The Title ''Khan'' is a non-existent word although modern Bulgarian ''history'' says that our rulers were ''Khans'' but it was based on old theory that insisted on Bulgarians being of turko-tatar origin. Once again stop referencing Bulgarian history because there is no single proof of the things said ...
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Dream on...Actually there are both Greeks and Turks who are of Thracian origins. Do the Turks that live in the Greek part of Thrace, remind you of central Asians?

Btw, Illyrians were not Thracians.
Yes there are Turks and Greeks of Thracian origin because those were the native people living in the region and they were later enslaved by the Byzantium and Ottoman empire. What I meant is that Balkan (said to be Slavic) culture is noting more than Thracian culture, and has nothing to do with original Greek or Turkish culture.

Btw, Illyrians are Thracians. Read the old sources that talk about this.

''Life in Illyrian towns followed the same patterns as that in Thracian towns and the settlements were always associated with the vast burial sites ...''

http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=e...yrians&f=false

''Urban life shows the same typological characteristics throughout the whole territory between the Adriatic and Black Sea.''

http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=e...yrians&f=false

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The Title ''Khan'' is a non-existent word although modern Bulgarian ''history'' says that our rulers were ''Khans'' but it was based on old theory that insisted on Bulgarians being of turko-tatar origin. Once again stop referencing Bulgarian history because there is no single proof of the things said ...
Old theory? I posted you a Cambridge book from 2005, that states clearly those terms and names the proto-Bulgars (not Bulgarians) as an Asiatic group.

Can you please provide me with a source from a MAJOR university that claims this is an old theory? I am pretty sure, that Cambridge would not put outdated material (as you claim) on their publications.

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Yes there are Turks and Greeks of Thracian origin because those were the native people living in the region and they were later enslaved by the Byzantium and Ottoman empire.
Enslaved by Byzantium? You mean that the Romans conquered Thrace. Byzantium had Thracian emperors in early years.

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What I meant is that Balkan (said to be Slavic) culture is noting more than Thracian culture, and has nothing to do with original Greek or Turkish culture.
Really? I think no Albanian would agree with you and you know Albanians are the definition of Balcanic culture and they do not speak a slavic language. Slavs came in medieval times, ancient cultures such as Illyrians and Thracians, were more of a cultural mixture between Celtic and Greek (not that they were any of those, but culturarly), than Slavs.


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Btw, Illyrians are Thracians. Read the old sources that talk about this.

''Life in Illyrian towns followed the same patterns as that in Thracian towns and the settlements were always associated with the vast burial sites ...''

История человечества: From the Seventh Century B.C. to the Seventh Century A.D. - Google Books

''Urban life shows the same typological characteristics throughout the whole territory between the Adriatic and Black Sea.''

История человечества: From the Seventh Century B.C. to the Seventh Century A.D. - Google Books
Where did you see it stating Illyrians = Thracians? Just that their town patterns are the same and the urban life. So what? Sarakatsans and Vlachs have exactly the same life style and culture. They do not speak the same language nor are the same people. Nevertheless, both are native to the Balkans and they do not speak a slavic language.

As I said again Sonrisa. By making loose claims, posting blogs and saying things that you just want to believe, doesn't convince anyone here. If all you believe is true, then why wouldn't it be major publications were those things are described? I mean, don't you question yourself on that perspective?
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