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Old December 1st, 2010, 10:16 AM   #1
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Disappearance of the Ninth Legion


After watching the movie, Centurion, I wonder if this
account of the Ninth Legion disappearing without a
trace or any historical record, likely annihiliated by the
Picts as in the movie, is correct.

" Roman policy was not to publicly record the fate of
legions that had been disgraced or annihilated in battle. "

thesonsofscotland.co.uk/xilegion.htm
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Old December 1st, 2010, 11:36 AM   #2

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No, Tacitus has record of it.

"The victorious enemy met Petilius Cerialis, commander of the 9th legion, as he was coming to the rescue, routed his troops and destroyed all his infantry. Cerialis escaped with some cavalry into the camp, and was saved by its fortifications."
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Your time-line is off Tuor. Tacitus was referring to events in around 84CE. The film (which wasn't all that accurate) was set about 15-20 years later.

In any event the Legio Nones Hispaniensis wasn't annihilated by the Picts as there are records of vexillations on the Danube and in Pannonia. That it disappeared from the Roman records is the only certainty.

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Aw, shux. Thanks Chookie.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 12:28 PM   #5

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In any event the Legio Nones Hispaniensis wasn't annihilated by the Picts as there are records of vexillations on the Danube and in Pannonia. That it disappeared from the Roman records is the only certainty.
Vexillations could remain active after their mother-unit was lost. For example, the VIII Augusta was disbanded in 238 AD but at least one vexillation continued to fight in its name for another twenty years.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 03:11 AM   #6

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Most of what the authors I've read when researching the Nineth felt that the legion was probably destroyed in Judea.

I first got interested in this legion when I was in high school. I read a young adult novel called Eagle of the Nineth. It was based, so said the author, on the finding of a legionary eagle during some excavations. Based on her (at the time) research, she concluded the eagle must have belonged to the nineth legion. I've never read that myself, so I don't know where that comes from. I was curious, because I didn't know how you could lose an entire legion and not know what happened to it. Apparently, the Romans did know what happened to it (whatever that was) and it just hasn't come down to us. It's been years, however, since I did any research on this. Things have possibly changed since then.
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I'd be really interested to know more about the Ninth legion also. I just watched Centurion a few days ago. Very skillful use of fake blood but the Scottish backdrop was stunning. This is the same Legio partially destroyed by Boudicca in AD 60, correct?


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When did this movie come out? Is it in the UK only or will it come across the Atlantic too? I wanna see it! I heard about it in production days.
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I saw parts of previews, etc, and I'm not really sure how "complete" they were ... I have no idea when Centurion is "officially" coming out. Sorry I can't be of more help.


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I'd be really interested to know more about the Ninth legion also. I just watched Centurion a few days ago. Very skillful use of fake blood but the Scottish backdrop was stunning. This is the same Legio partially destroyed by Boudicca in AD 60, correct?


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The Ninth attempted to releave Boudica's siege of Camulodunum under the command of its legate Q. Petilius Cerealis, but were defeated and scattered. Tacitus claims that the entire legion was butchered except for Petilius and his staff; the Almight Wiki claims that it lost 80% of its strength.

Not that I'm inclined to trust either of them
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