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Old December 30th, 2010, 10:35 AM   #1

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The National/"Ethnic" Origins of Roman Emperors...

The Roman Empire was one of history's most successful melting pots. In comparison to some of history's more recent super-powers, Roman society was relatively tolerant of foreign cultures and religions, provided they did not disturb the peace. Issues of skin color and physical characteristics, as far as can be told, were of little or no importance in the Empire, presumably due to the cosmopolitan nature of its major cities from the early Republic.

By the 1st Century AD, inscriptions and historic writings attest to the many cultural and national groups represented amongst the political and military elites of the Roman Empire. Gaulish chieftains were serving in the Senate at least as early as the reign of Claudius. Jews, Greeks, and Syrians were holding military commands from Egypt to Britain. Some of the most rich and powerful men in 2nd Century Rome were Africans and Spaniards, many of whom still spoke their Latin with Celtiberian or Punic accents.

It's not surprising that, by the 2nd Century, most of the Caesars were not even Romans - if one defines a "Roman" as being an Italian born in Rome or in the traditional Roman territories of Italy. In fact, most of the Emperors after the Julio-Claudians were provincial, or at best non-Roman Italian in origins.

In this post I'm going to list most of the emperors of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Centuries AD, and their culture or province of origin. I will stop with Constantine I (of Edict of Milan fame) and his sons, as from the 4th Century onwards there is very little evidene for most of the emperor's origins. I'm also going to leave out some of the minor co-emperors (e.g. Lucius Verus, Geta).

Augustus - Roman Italian (born at Velitrae, southeast of Rome)

Tiberius - Roman Italian

Gaius "Caligula" - Roman Italian (born at Antium)

Claudius - Roman Italian (born at Lugdunum in Gaul)

Nero - Roman Italian (born at Antium)

Galba - Roman Italian

Otho - Etruscan

Vitellius - unknown, presumably Italian

Vespasian - Sabine

Titus - Sabine

Domitian - Sabine

Nerva - Italian or Cisalpine Gaulish (born at Narnia)

Trajan - Umbrian Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)

Hadrian - Picenine Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)

Antoninus Pius - Gaulish (born in Latium)

Marcus Aurelius - Gaulish and Spanish

Commodus - Gaulish and Spanish (born in Rome)

Pertinax - unknown (family of slave origins)

Julianus - unknown, probably Roman Italian

Albinus - Italian

Pescennius Niger - Roman Italian

Septimius Severus - Carthaginian and Celtic

Caracalla - Carthaginian, Celtic, and Syrian

Macrinus - Italian (family had settled in Punic Africa)

Elagabalus - Syrian

Severus Alexander - Syrian

Maximinus Thrax - probably Dacian (supposedly Thracian and Sarmatian)

The Gordiani - unknown (probably mixed Italian, African, and Asian)

Philip the Arab - Mesopotamian or Syrian Arab

Decius - Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Budalia near Sirmium)

Trebonianus Gallus - Perusian Etruscan

Aemilian - Mauretanian

Valerian - unknown

Gallienus - unknown

Claudius Gothicus - Illyrian

Aurelian - Moesian

Tacitus and Florian - unknown, possibly Italian or Danubian

Probus - Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Sirmium)

Carus - probably Gaulish and Greek (born at Narbo)

Carinus and Numerian - probably Gaulish and Greek

Diocletian - Dalmatian Illyrian

Maximian - probably Illyrian or Pannonian

Carausius - Menapian Gaul

Constantius Chlorus - Moesian or Dacian

Galerius - Dacian

Severus II - Danubian

Maxentius - Danubian and Syrian

Constantine I and his sons - Moesian or Dacian
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That list indicates well, as you mentioned, that the Roman empire was a melting pot were all the greatest elements of the cultures it conquered were incorporated.
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Originally Posted by Salah ad-Din View Post
Constantius Chlorus - Moesian or Dacian

Constantine I and his sons - Moesian or Dacian
I think Julian("the Apostate") from the same dynasty says that he's family comes from Moesians.
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The Romans were founded by a more Northern-type stock of Albans not unlike the Celtic and Germanic early ethnic groups, interestingly.

Upon seeing them initially, the Greeks compared their visages to the gods.

Apparently, the more blue-blondish phenotype died out more and more, but it is interesting to note the blue and light-colored hair reported of in so many of the first Roman Imperators.

Even as the original founding genetic group shrunk, the EXEMPLUM of ROMANITAS as an IDEAL was the property of any soul worthy of it, in the Roman mind, and Rome was "multicultural" only in that sense -- Roman ethnic identity was not RACIAL, but CULTURAL. In no way were the Romans "multicultural" in our weird Marxist postmodern sense.
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Hint: Alba/Silvus is the original generatrix of the Romans, who considered themselves descendants of the TROJANS (the Trojans of old resided near the Black Sea area)--the northerly Black Sea and Caucasus region is the key, ethnohistorically and in terms of migration... Likewise with a good portion of Germanic and Celtic sub-groups... I can confirm this empirically if needed...

BTW, I am a researcher, interested in all things, so accusations of "racism" I am immunized against, I say preemptively. No culture-Marxist propaganda thought-block holding me back from reality.

My maternal lineage is ARABIC-SEMITIC, ha. Busalacchi=ethnohistorically, derivative of Egypt, deep ancestry Arabian, meaning father or son of Zallaq.
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The main thing to imbibe here is, Bronze Age Black Sea region, the NORTHERLY-BOREAL Caucasus in general, is the secret in unlocking the origins of the "Albans", the first Romans...

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania]Caucasian Albania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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The question of Indo-European ethnogenesis is unavoidable:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis]Kurgan hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Interesting to note is the the polar central axial symbolism of how Romulus places the black stone, the "sign of the center", at the beginning of the Via Sacra; how Romulus was given the right to name the new city by the fatidic, SOLAR number TWELVE, in the form of 12 vultures; twelve lictorian fasces carried the battle-ax (cf. "battle-ax culture" and "Reindeer culture"), a Boreal symbol; the number 12 again in the number NUMA institutes in relation to the "sacred shields", the "pledges of command"; 12 likewise the number of altars in the most primal Janus cultus, etc.

The eagle is a Borean trace again, and was sacred to Jupiter and of course the sign on the Roman legionary soldiery...the eagle has correspondent meanings as a psychopomp in related Indo-European spiritual lineages...

The Indo-Iranian asvamedha, the horse-sacrifice rite, too also shared in the Roman culture...

The wolf-symbolism is overflowing, I don't know where to begin... Lykian Apollo...

The Palatine Hill, is the location where Herkules killed Cacus the monster--those with eyes, see...

Additionally: Saturn-Kronos as Golden Age God, reigning in the Boreal North... This is where we get our "Kronian Sea", the Arctic Sea of the BOREADS... So much more...

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Anyone who doesn't have Mallory's, The Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture, should. I am no esoteric magus -- the sources are there -- and please no paranoiac "racial" junk -- I am practically half-Arabic/Semitic, myself; other half, German and Italian, with a trace of Syrian... So there!
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Originally Posted by Psellos View Post
I think Julian("the Apostate") from the same dynasty says that he's family comes from Moesians.
Julian, in spite of his impudence, was fiercely spiritually conscious, a philosopher in reality, and said one of the most important and true things I have ever heard:

That which never happened, is eternally true.

In this one statement, the skeleton-key to metaphysics and religious spirituality is found...
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When I stated the early Greeks said the first Italics had "visages of the gods" and "resembled the gods", I did not mean in some schizo-racialist sense. I merely meant in terms of BEARING and DEMEANOR. (Although, as I said, the proto-Indo-European genetic groups are all going to be akin physically, naturally, too.) I am citing from Plutarch, Phyrro, 19.5 and 5.41...

The history of Rome -- one could spend lifetimes on it...
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