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View Poll Results: The Greatest Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt
Narmer 0 0%
Djoser 1 2.70%
Snefru 0 0%
Khufu 1 2.70%
Djedefre 0 0%
Khafra 0 0%
Senusret III 0 0%
Thutmose III 11 29.73%
Hatshepsut 0 0%
Amenhotep III 0 0%
Akhenaten 4 10.81%
Tutankhamun 0 0%
Ramesses II 20 54.05%
Ramesses III 0 0%
other 0 0%
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Old April 28th, 2011, 08:19 AM   #41

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More of a misnomer actually ,as the title didn't exist in reference to the King till around Akhenaten's time I believe.
I think the word pharaoh was actually created by the Greeks. It was a mispronunciation of the Egyptian for palace that their king lived in. Calling the ancient Egyptian kings and queens, pharaohs would be like called President Obama, White House.
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Well, plenty of modern regular historical denominations are technically anachronistic (let say "Egypt" itself).
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Old April 28th, 2011, 08:53 AM   #43

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I think the word pharaoh was actually created by the Greeks
It is actually the Hebrew pronunciation of the title Per-'o/ Pr-aa, which was used to describe the court of the king. It evolved over time to describe the king himself.
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Etymology of Pharaoh....

title of the kings of ancient Egypt, O.E. Pharon, from L. Pharaonem, from Gk. Pharao, from Heb. Par'oh, from Egyptian Pero', lit. "great house." Online Etymology Dictionary
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Old April 29th, 2011, 12:04 PM   #45

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Indeed. Ramsese 11 had a first rate PR department and built some grandiose edifices,the most famous probably being Abu Simbel.


In terms of military/ political accomplishments, he seems a lightweight compared with his father Seti 1 or Thutmose 111.
According to the History Channel documentary Ancient Discoveries -- Egyptian Warfare (DVD), early in his reign, Pharaoh Rameses II modernized Egypt's military. In particular, he ordered the construction of a fleet of advanced chariots, of lighter & faster & (then) more modern design, even than those of the Hittites (whose were, admittedly, heavier). It was with these 2000 new chariots that Pharaoh Rameses faced the Hittites (who had nearly 4000 chariots), under king Muwatalli II, at Kadesh, in 1274 BC. Without Pharaoh Rameses massive military modernization, then, Egypt could not have projected power, as far afield, as Kadesh, against the heavily-armed Hittites, at that time.
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The chariot fleet was based at Pi Rameses, of Biblical fame, and which was abandoned by Rameses' son & successor, Pharaoh Merneptah -- which could, conceivably, be construed as consistent with the claims, of the Bible, about those chariots being destroyed, at the Red Sea, during the Israelite Exodus (Ex 14). (Indeed, an Exodus c.1210 BC works well with the archaeology of neighboring Canaan, which shows clear indications of incoming Israelites, at the beginning of the Iron Age, c.1200 BC [William G. Dever. Who were the Israelites & where did they come from ?].)
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I am voting for Thutmose III. Egypt was at its height under him.
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