mark4man

Hello...

This is actually a four part question (sorry):

1) A friend of mine asked me which famous battle occurred after the Phoenicians & Romans were to meet at the peace table...& the Phoenicians refused to talk due to the fact that the Roman generals stunk of rose petals?

2) Could he have the Phoenicians confused w/ the Carthaginians?

3) Which ancient battle between the Romans & Carthaginians...which took place somewhere in North Africa...was also the same site where Patton defeated Rommel in WWII.

4) Is this the same battle my friend refers to?

Thanks,


mark4man

Komrade

To answer question 2 (and anyone feel free to correct me), but I believe Carthage was a Phoenician city. "Punic" was the Roman word for "Phoenician".

Edgewaters

Yeh, Carthaginians were a Phoenician peoples. Sort of.

Phoenician was just a name given by Greeks to the peoples of a number of independant cities on the Meditteranean coast of the Levant, who shared similar cultures.

These peoples traded and colonized across the Meditteranean and beyond, much like the Greeks, founding outposts and colonies all over the shores of the Meditteranean and Black Sea. Carthage was one such city. The name Carthage is the Roman pronunciation of Qart-adast, "new city". However by the time of Carthage's conflict with Rome it was a multi-cultural center with a population comprised of a great mix of peoples - much like Rome would become once it spread past Italy.

mark4man

really nice fellas...

so could we now get to my questions?

thanks.

Ankrom

In the 1st Punic war, the Carthaginians sued for peace, but since the terms set by Regulus were so harsh, they continued to fight. I didn't find anything about rose petals..

Who is he?

Are you referring to the Battle of Adys(255) and the Battle of El Guettar??
Battle of Adys is located near modern day Oudna. The Battle of El Guettar is located south of Gafsa.

Also, if you've taken your information from the movie "Patton", don't expect historical accuracy.

If he's referring to the battle of Adys, then yes.

You are welcome.

mark4man

sorry people...I was a bit cranky last nite...my bad.

Yes...the one that saw the Romans invade North Africa. But...on the continuation of hostilities...I thought they drove the Romans off the continent, at Tunis?

My friend, who related the story (maybe folklore...since you couldn't find anything.) I haven't been able myself (which was why I came here.)

Actually...I was thinking (as stated above) Tunis.

No...not the movie...his memoirs (& Allied campaign documentation.) He (Patton) either visited the ancient battlefield (prior to defeating Rommel in the final battle of that campaign, on an adjacent battlefield)...or that final battlefield actually overlapped the ancient Tunis battlefield's real estate. Rommel's army accessed North Africa via Tunis for their invasion...establishing a base of operations there; & were invariably pushed back to that point, from where they retreated to Sicily (same as the Romans.)

(all things I've come to learn since posting.)

To be continued...

Thanks,

mark4man

Slayertplsko

Battle of Zama 202BCE. Hannibal was defeated by Romans. This ended the Punic War II....so this definitely led to the peace table. Rommel was defeated somewhere nearby as well. Yes he could have confused Phoenicians and Carthaginians.

So I think it could be Zama.