A Pageant of Christian Identity Frauds masquerade in the Academy of Plato - Historum

Kookaburra Jack · August 4th, 2011, 03:39 AM

ABSTRACT Evidence is presented to substantiate the presence of at least a trinity of Christian Identity Frauds masquerading in the Academy of Plato during the 3rd century. (1,2,3) From the 4th century mention is resurrected of Porphyry's Christian Identity Fraud and the likelihood is explored that the Christian Presbyter Arius of Alexandria, is just another Identity Fraud in a pattern of similar evidence. (4,5) The events of the Council of Nicaea are reconstructed in such a manner as to narrate from the profane perspective, the heresy, the exile and the "damnatio memoriae" of Arius of Alexandria, a non christian theologian/philosopher associated with the Alexandrian academy of Plato c.324 CE. (6,7)

(0) Introduction - The Nondual God of Plato, Plato's Canon and its Apostolic Lineage
(1) The Two Ammonii - Ammonius Saccas the Platonist and Ammonius the Christian
(2) The Two Origen's - Origen the Platonist and Origen the Christian.
(3) The Two Anatolii - Anatolius of Alexandria the Platonist and Anatolius the Christian Bishop
(4) The Two Porphyrii - Porphyry the Platonist and Porphyry the Christian author
(5) The Two Arii - Arius of Alexandria the Platonist and Arius the Christian Presbyter.
(6) Reconstructing a Profane History of Nicaea - The Gods in the books of Plato and Constantine
(7) Identity Frauds, conclusions and recommendations - Condemnation of pious forgery.

(8) Reference: the Apostolic Lineage of the Academy of Plato - a chronological tabulation

Identity Fraud

Identity Fraud
: - A criminal activity involving the use of a stolen or misappropriated identity. The process usually involves either stolen or forged identity documents used to obtain goods or services by deception.

An essay on this subject is located here

A diagramatic presentation of the claims to be evidenced is as follows:

**Lawnmowerman** · August 4th, 2011, 03:40 AM

Your going to have to say that again using smaller words and speaking very slowly. Im sure its an intresting topic but I have no idea what you are on about.

Kookaburra Jack · August 4th, 2011, 04:06 AM

The substance of the argument and evidence is outlined in an essay. I will try and summarise it briefly.

There already appear to be two separate Ammonius's disambiguated in the ancient hstorical record of the 3rd century, one a christian and the other a Platonist, in fact considered to be the father of "neoplatonism". Duplicate identities are sometimes a cause for concern. Sure they sometimes do validly exist. But on other occassions they may indicate some sort of problem. When there appears to be a systematic appearance of duplicate identities in two separate asserted lineages, then this is very suspicious.

However there already further appear to be two separate Origen's disambiguated in the same century, one a Christian and the other a Platonist. These represent the 2nd set of duplicate identities. Sooner or later they need to be explained, or is it coincidental. Prevailing opinion seems to suggest there are 4 people here, not two.

A third duplicate is explored in Anatolius the Christian bishop of Laodicea and Anatolius of Alexandria the Platonist mathematician. A fourth duplicate is explored with Porphyry.

I see reason to claim this is not coincidence but evidence of a systematic identity theft by the 4th century author Eusebius.

A fifth duplicate is then explored in the figure of Arius of Alexandria, presented to be a Christian presbyter, but more than likely, having been called a "Porphyrian" by Constantine, a Platonic theologian.

The idea is that all these duplicates can be explained by a systematic identity theft perpetrated against the classical lineage of the Platonic philosophers and theologians of the 3rd and 4th century, and by the author called Eusebius, for the purpose of borrowing names from a very old and respectable lineage of sages and influential people. A new lineage was created by Eusebius for the corresponding Christian identities, who did not exist in history.

**Kirialax** · August 4th, 2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kookaburra Jack

A fifth duplicate is then explored in the figure of Arius of Alexandria, presented to be a Christian presbyter, but more than likely, having been called a "Porphyrian" by Constantine, a Platonic theologian.

I was never under the impression that Arius' Christianity was in question. One could study Neoplatonism and be a Christian in late antiquity. What makes you think that Arius was not a Christian?

Kookaburra Jack · August 4th, 2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirialax

I was never under the impression that Arius' Christianity was in question. One could study Neoplatonism and be a Christian in late antiquity. What makes you think that Arius was not a Christian?

I have outlined my idea concerning the evidence available on this question here and am happy to answer any questions arising from this section of the essay.

**Edgewaters** · August 4th, 2011, 07:12 PM

Would not put it past Eusebius; sounds right up his alley. He certainly was a prolific "inventor"

Kookaburra Jack · August 9th, 2011, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Edgewaters

Would not put it past Eusebius; sounds right up his alley. He certainly was a prolific "inventor"

The platonists Ammonius, Origen, Anatolius and Porphyry were the targets of his identity theft. The Christian versions of Ammonius, Origen, Anatolius and Porphyry are Eusebian fabrications.

I think that we will also find that in a political history of the 4th century the figure of Arius of Alexandria will not be a Christian presbyter as is currently believed, but in fact a Platonist theologian, logician and philosopher in resistance mode against the Christian revolution.

Thessalonian · August 9th, 2011, 05:23 AM

Interesting. Ancient Greek philosophy and Jewish religion clash yet again...

**unclefred** · August 9th, 2011, 07:42 AM

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**Emilio Primo** · August 9th, 2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kookaburra Jack

ABSTRACT Evidence is presented to substantiate the presence of at least a trinity of Christian Identity Frauds masquerading in the Academy of Plato during the 3rd century. (1,2,3) From the 4th century mention is resurrected of Porphyry's Christian Identity Fraud and the likelihood is explored that the Christian Presbyter Arius of Alexandria, is just another Identity Fraud in a pattern of similar evidence. (4,5) The events of the Council of Nicaea are reconstructed in such a manner as to narrate from the profane perspective, the heresy, the exile and the "damnatio memoriae" of Arius of Alexandria, a non christian theologian/philosopher associated with the Alexandrian academy of Plato c.324 CE. (6,7)

Arius of Alexandria was a Christian. The confusion seems to be whether or not people view you and call you as such. It's not duplicates, it seems to be more of conflicting views.