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Old August 30th, 2011, 10:57 PM   #21
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I've read that Plato heard about Atlantis from Egyptian priests. If that is not already a fantasy.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 12:17 AM   #22

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I've read that Plato heard about Atlantis from Egyptian priests. If that is not already a fantasy.
No, Plato heard it from a guy who heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Egyptian priests. I don't believe a word of it. Though I am curious as to what was going on in Plato's head when he wrote this piece.
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Can someone tell me what this youtube vids are all about. For us who cant watch vids.

Sure, the first one is just composed of randomly chosen pictures without any explanation, I guess that is supposed to be the evidence that proves the existence Atlantis, and the second one just looks like a bad apocalyptic Japanese cartoon with awful music, I cant see anything important in these vids.
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just a quick question, do you think that the fabled island of Hy-Brazil is also a myth?
I only heard about it the other day seems a very interesting story.
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Well... I hear a lot of myths about it and all, but have we any evidence to prove it ever existed ?
I don't think so. I've always understood that the story was originally thought up by Plato or someone as a warning to Athenians of what would happen if they became decadent like the Atlanteans. No evidence that I am aware of that there was such a place.

Some people argue that remains of Mediterranean islands that had volcanoes erupt on them are origins for Atlantis, but I gather that the story says that Atlantis lay outside the pillars of Hercules, so that would put it in the Atlantic rather than the Mediterranean. But of course stories about those places may have given Plato an idea for his story.
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I think I remember a Bettany Hughes documentary where she claimed Atlantis was an allegory of the fall of Minoan civilization. As a sea-faring trading nation they were wiped out by a tsunami.
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Some people argue that remains of Mediterranean islands that had volcanoes erupt on them are origins for Atlantis, but I gather that the story says that Atlantis lay outside the pillars of Hercules, so that would put it in the Atlantic rather than the Mediterranean. But of course stories about those places may have given Plato an idea for his story.


Volcanoes? Atlantic islands? I live in Atlantis!


Well, as Greeks traveled farthest, they tend to put their myths farther.
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just a quick question, do you think that the fabled island of Hy-Brazil is also a myth?
I only heard about it the other day seems a very interesting story.
Same thing, it's also a myth.
The fact that eyewitnesses have seen it as recently as 1870 might indicate it's just a piece of slightly submered land that comes above water now and then, dependent on the tides.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 04:48 AM   #29
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Sorry for the pics, one are the artifacts of the empire of Tartessos, the other just a tune of its end.

Atlantis`s location.
Plato `s Critius
And the name of his younger twin-brother, who had for his portion the extremity of the island near the pillars of Herakles up to the part of the country now called Gadeira.( Gades)

A map of the site of ancient Gades compared with modern Cadiz

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No, Plato heard it from a guy who heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Egyptian priests. I don't believe a word of it. Though I am curious as to what was going on in Plato's head when he wrote this piece.
I've read that Greek wrtiers would attribute stories and legends to Egypt, it being a more ancient civilization, in order to give stories credence.
But why Greeks would need the Egyptians to tell them a story of Greek history....
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