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Old March 22nd, 2010, 06:34 PM   #21

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Well both Catholics and Eastern Orthodox disagree with you, since they canonized him a saint.
Pfff... They gave Obame the Noble price for Peace...
At times the Saint-making process was like a reward for service to the pope, and the territorial spread of the Rome's influence. (Louis IX)
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Pfff... They gave Obame the Noble price for Peace...
The Nobel peace prize isn't associated with either church.
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The Nobel peace prize isn't associated with either church.
It's something humans give to other humans because they like what he does/did is supposed to do. That fits their ideology.
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Well both Catholics and Eastern Orthodox disagree with you, since they canonized him a saint.
His Edict of Mediolanum/Milan gave freedom of worship to the whole Empire - it did not - contrary to popular accounts - turn Rome into a Christian Empire (that didn't happen until under Theodosius in the late 4th Century). His policy of toleration - immediately following a period of harsh persecution under Diocletian and Maximian - made him a hero in the sight of the Empire's Christians, and summarily he has had a good name in European history. But this doesn't change the fact that, as I said above, he was a very typical product of his day.
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It's something humans give to other humans because they like what he does.
You hit the nail on the head, here.
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It's something humans give to other humans because they like what he does/did is supposed to do. That fits their ideology.
Still doesn't prove that Catholics gave Obama the prize. You realise that there's a certain rigorous procedure in canonizing saints, which often takes decades if not centuries in some cases?
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His Edict of Mediolanum/Milan gave freedom of worship to the whole Empire - it did not - contrary to popular accounts - turn Rome into a Christian Empire (that didn't happen until under Theodosius in the late 4th Century). His policy of toleration - immediately following a period of harsh persecution under Diocletian and Maximian - made him a hero in the sight of the Empire's Christians, and summarily he has had a good name in European history.
Yes I'm aware of all this.

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Saints come in all forms and sizes.
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Still doesn't prove that Catholics gave Obama the prize. You realise that there's a certain rigorous procedure in canonizing saints, which often takes decades if not centuries in some cases?
We're still waiting here in Belgium for Father Damian (°January 3, 1840 – +April 15, 1889) to get holy... He worked with people suffering from lepracy on Molokaï, Hawaii. He's now in the phase before it. "Zalig" , in Dutch. Beatified.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Damien$

edit: ah, he's holy now, officially? Canonized on October 11, 2009. Not so long ago. Great!
Do you know how the procedure goes?

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Saints come in all forms and sizes.
But does any man truly worthy of the title of "saint" turn on and butcher his allies, or execute his own wife of several decades and his son?
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Do you know how the procedure goes?
Here's a rough summary of it:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364b.htm
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