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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:15 PM   #41
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Bad joke. They were not even real countries. Jump out of the well, dude.
Yup, because I'm sure you have plenty of hard evidence and research on why the Classical Hellenic poleis should be discarded as any "real countries".

Please don't be shy and share at least a fraction of all such evidence with us here.

Otherwise, this would still just be a not particularly good joke.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:20 PM   #42

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The Greek word that I most often read on news paper, unfortunately, is pedophilia.
Is that really necessary? Lets not forget that by modern standards many, many civilizations would be considered as suffering from pedophilia, not just the Greeks.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:21 PM   #43
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So it's a slum?
Nope, as our Guaporense rightly pointed out above (and of course backed with abundant extremely hard evidence posted by him all along Historum) Hellas was exactly the opposite; the richest region of this Planet at the time by virtually any objective standard.

Unless of course you may have any hidden equally hard evidence on the opposite that for whichever reason you have decided to hide from us.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:33 PM   #44
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Geometric rate? Then what would you call Alexander's conquest speed? 100 times geometric rate?
It may be just me, but I can't find any relevance or even sense on this observation.

Care to elaborate a bit?
Thanks in advance.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:40 PM   #45
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The wealth was also not that great. It's like a homeless man bragging about his cardboard box to Bill Gates.
Another gratuitous bare statement, in fact explicitly against the fine & abundamt hard evidence so generously shared with us by our Guaporense all along Historum.

No doubt you must have plenty of hard evidence on your owm (again, so far entirely hidden) to support such categorical assertion; would you be so kind to share even just a fraction of it with us?
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:45 PM   #46
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So? China at the same time could muster at least 10 times that amount. Nice cardboard box man. And you are very wrong. A monthly wage would be about a tetra drachma.
Sorry; I entirely missed again all the part of the hard evidence supporting such fascinating assessment.

Would you be so kind to re-post such hard evidence again?
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:54 PM   #47
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Dead wrong. UK in 19th century had Australia, Canada, India, and many other large territories. They add up to be 1% of Russia? Now, this is complete BS.
Actually you have a good point here; the example of our Guaporense may have been indeed poorly chosen.

A fact which of course couldn't even remotely imply that his thesis may have been wrong at all; the size and the power (either military or economic) of any nation are not always directly related; there have been plenty of exceptions all along History, particularly in Europe:
- Portugal in the XVI century,
- the Nederlands in the XVII,
- England itself for both centuries,
- Prussia and
- Sweden in the XVIII,
- the III Reich in 1939,

... and so on.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:59 PM   #48
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So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.
About your crystal clear "quantity instead of quality" strategy with total disregard of any rules of evidence?
Absolutely.

As detailed above, >90% of your loooong post are just endless fallacious bare statements, red herrings, faulty analogies, wil speculation, barely discernible poor attempts of humor and even a touch of ethnic insult

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Old November 6th, 2011, 12:55 PM   #49

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As detailed above, >90% of your loooong post are just endless fallacious bare statements, red herrings, faulty analogies, wil speculation, barely discernible poor attempts of humor and even a touch of ethnic insult
Mandate of Heaven apparently has dropped out all attempt to seriously argue anything.
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In conclusion: About your crystal clear "quantity instead of quality" strategy with total disregard of any rules of evidence?
Absolutely.

As detailed above, >90% of your loooong post are just endless fallacious bare statements, red herrings, faulty analogies, wil speculation, barely discernible poor attempts of humor and even a touch of ethnic insult
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Mandate of Heaven apparently has dropped out all attempt to seriously argue anything.
I can't even bring myself to get involved in this, so I will take the easy road...

I agree with you guys!
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